FMC 137: Edward Scissor Hands Directed by Tim Burton

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This episode of Filmmaker Commentary revisits Tim Burton's 1990 classic "Edward Scissorhands," discussing its filmmaking techniques, cultural impact, and unique visual style, while also touching on recent entertainment news and box office updates.

Opening Discussion & Box Office News
Reginald Titus Jr.: Filmmaker Commentary episode 137.
Casey G. Smith: Welcome to Filmmaker Commentary, where we give you insights from our favorite filmmaking commentaries. These commentaries can be heard on your DVD and Blu-rays of your favorite movies. We'll show you how you can use these commentaries and apply them to improve your video production and filmmaking techniques. All of this here on Filmmaker Commentary. I'm your host, Reginald Titus Jr.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yo, welcome to another episode of Filmmaker Commentary. I'm Reginald Titus Jr. I'm joined with Casey G. Smith. Welcome back, sir.
Casey G. Smith.: Good to be back, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And today we're talking about Edward Scissorhands, directed by Tim Burton, 1990.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes, sir. We are in our 90s block of film. So, stay along for the ride.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, we're going to have a lot of films to cover for this decade. What do we have for awards for this film?
Casey G. Smith.: So Edward Scissorhands was nominated for some various awards, some you may not have heard of before, but there's something called the 2020 Awards. This was back in 2011. They won for costume design, as well as for Best Makeup. In addition to that, Best Art Direction, and Best Original Score by of course, the famous Danny Elfman, him and Tim Burton collaborated on quite a few films in the 90s, well 80s and 90s. In addition to that, they were also nominated for a Grammy. They were also nominated for Best Makeup by the Academy Awards. But yeah, not a whole lot of wins. Oh, and also within BAFTA Awards, they did win for Best Production Design.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Well done.
Casey G. Smith.: And also they won a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay. Okay. I have a budget of 20 million.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay. And a gross box office of 56 million for U.S. and Canada.
Casey G. Smith.: Mm-hmm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And then worldwide is 86 million. How you feel, how you feel?
Casey G. Smith.: That's definitely a win. Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I expected the budget to be higher, but they were resourceful.
Casey G. Smith.: You know, I mean, they, there's a lot of practical stuff being done. Of course, we'll dive into some of that, but yeah, they, they made it work for them.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I like where we're going with this. But before we talk further about Tim Burton's Edward Scissorhands, let's talk about news, TV, and movie watched.
Casey G. Smith.: All right. So, in the news, according to The Observer, Hollywood bids farewell to three greats in united by mafia films and friendship. So of course we, we already knew about that, the passing of one Ray Liotta. And unfortunately also recently, uh this week, James Caan of Godfather fame, right, famously playing the role of Sonny, one of the oldest son of the Don, passed away as well as Soprano actor Tony Sirico. Hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, who famously played Paulie Walnuts Gualtieri. Apologies if I butchered that name. Again, on The Sopranos, who passed away at the age of 79. So it's, there have been quite a few, quite a few people passing away, but these three again, all connected by being involved in mafia or mob related projects over the years. Godfather, of course, Sopranos, as well as Goodfellas. So rest in peace to all three of these, these fine gentlemen and actors and their contribution to the mainstream.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Your art lives on.
Casey G. Smith.: Indeed, it does. Also, just a little bit of box office news. Of course, you know, this week we had Thor Love and Thunder drop in theaters, and it uh is the biggest opening for a Thor film at 143 million. So far. So yeah, doing pretty good. And also Minions Rise of Gru has surpassed 200 million dollars at the box office and it's believe this is its second, second week. Those Minions are cute.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wow.
Casey G. Smith.: They are. They really are, and they continue to do their thing. But yeah, those and they're, the marketing of that film is just everywhere.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mm-hmm.
Casey G. Smith.: You know, Liberty Mutual commercials and it's just everywhere.

Recent Watches: Stranger Things, The Boys, & Everything Everywhere All At Once
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay. Uh, what you been watching this past week?
Casey G. Smith.: So, again, a couple of season finales. One being, uh Stranger Things.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, you wrapped up Stranger Things?
Casey G. Smith.: Oh, yeah, you finished yours.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yeah, for sure. Remember last week, yeah, cuz it was Fourth of July weekend. I was like, all right, let's dive into this. We might need to like break off and do like a whole situation, little episode just focused on Stranger Things and that whole thing. But anywho, what did you think?
Casey G. Smith.: I, I thought it was, I thought it was okay. Oh, yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was, I thought it was okay.
Reginald Titus Jr.: The whole season or just these last two episodes?
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, I'm gonna say the whole season. It didn't, this didn't quite grab me and maybe it was the split, but it didn't quite, quite grab me like some of the previous ones. I thought it was good. But now, now, now it feels it feels, it feels a little kind of formulaic. I know they did some, some new things, but you know, spoiler alert.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ah.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes, spoiler alert.
Reginald Titus Jr.: We know that, that L is going to use her, her powers to, to combat and save the day. And you know, everybody comes back together. There's there are some, you know, this I will say this much, the, the stakes were raised this go around. You had someone kinda die? But kinda die? Not really.
Reginald Titus Jr.: For real. Who was kinda dead?
Casey G. Smith.: The redhead girl.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: I mean, she, she did. Max. Yeah, Max. Max.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That was rough.
Casey G. Smith.: Dies, then gets, you know, you know, resuscitated. So I mean the acting is good, like these, these actors are, Oh, yeah, doing, doing their thing.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Award-winning.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, you know, uh, Millie Bobby Brown, you know, as three, she's, she's, you know, pretty, pretty incredible with the range that she has to go through and the, I mean, there's a lot of physical stuff that she's doing and, uh, you know, also, you know, Eddie, like he had a cool arc. So I mean, yeah, I, I, I, I like, I like the go around, but it, it, it doesn't like just, ooh, stretch me like, oh, man, that was wow. But, but yeah, how about you?
Reginald Titus Jr.: I enjoyed the season, but I felt like there's like different parts, especially when L like when she's trying to adjust to going to the new school. She doesn't know how to deal with these new emotions and she cracks that girl over the head with the roller skate. I'm like, that girl could've died. Like, it's, concussion. Yeah, it felt real. That's what she ended up with. You know, it's like and then she's like, like, what do you expect? You bully somebody to the point.
Casey G. Smith.: For real.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That was terrible, man. What they were doing, I didn't feel bad for them. I'm like, hey, you, you're lucky she didn't have powers.
Casey G. Smith.: Mm-hmm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: But I mean, that's a lot of people feel that way that L has felt, you know, when they're being bullied. And people wonder why people grab guns and like, you know what, this is gonna solve this maybe, you know, for now.
Casey G. Smith.: That was and that was in the 80s where, yeah, you know, you didn't have you know, recording devices everywhere. And yeah, people could get away with that kind of stuff. And there was a far less awareness and awareness. Yeah, for sure. There were no anti-bullying campaigns. It was like, it was people were like, oh, this is part of life.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's kind of like the tropes of the 80s. It was like, okay, you're getting bullied, take this martial arts class. Then defend yourself. And everybody will applaud you.
Casey G. Smith.: Exactly.
Reginald Titus Jr.: You'll get a girlfriend and things will work out in the end.
Casey G. Smith.: Whenever we're roller skating, give someone a concussion.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dang, what that was rough. Those skates are heavy. If anybody's ever roller skated, you can kill somebody.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. Yeah, woo. Woo.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So the, and then seeing how like the split, which happens, you know, real life, you know, when you're in public school with all right, I do this thing that's kind of nerdy, but then, you know, I do wanna be accepted by this crowd. And then you're like forced to make a decision, you know, I kinda see that with my son right now where he's like, do I stay in band or do I play football? And then like the system forces you to make a decision because you can't do both.
Casey G. Smith.: I I had to do that exact same thing when I was in junior high. It was, I was doing band, but I was also playing basketball, and I remember I skipped, I skipped band practice one day for a morning basketball practice and my coach showed me and goes, if you skip band again for basketball practice, I'll cut you from the team. Like he wanted me to continue to do band and I was like, that was good. I was like, well I don't wanna miss practice. Yeah, you actually liked. I was like, I'm gonna quit band. I'm just gonna quit band. And so I did. I quit, I quit band. I didn't regret it at the time. I was like, yeah, cuz I loved basketball. And plus we had a new band teacher that wasn't as good as the one we had previe, the previous year. Yeah, the previous one, he had, he had elevated us. This new one was just like bringing us down. So I was like, it was easy choice. All right, bye, band. Hello basketball.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So you actually like.
Casey G. Smith.: But yeah, I made, made that, uh, that choice and yeah, they, they handled some of those dynamics pretty well in in relationships and.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Right. So I enjoyed that arc of him making that decision, but then his friends still sticking with the nerdy thing, which is the Dungeons and D and D stuff, you know, they want, like, want him to be committed to that. And then that's branched off into different social circles in the school. Like the athletes do this, the nerd people are the Satan people, uh, you know what I mean, cuz people don't understand it.
Casey G. Smith.: Exactly.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So I, it was very interesting to see some and then sometimes when that crosses over, like when you like, man, how did this popular girl like this guy from this group of, this different social circle? So it was interesting how they played. I actually enjoyed that part of it, but the fan, go ahead.
Casey G. Smith.: But also with that, the, the, the, the classic jock. Yeah. You know.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What was his name, Steve?
Casey G. Smith.: I don't even remember.
Reginald Titus Jr.: No, it wasn't Steve.
Casey G. Smith.: We had, we had that, that, that jock who then believes he's on this righteous cause.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude.
Casey G. Smith.: And but then also doesn't want to believe that his girlfriend, who was the, you know, kinda the popular cheerleader, that she was doing drugs and going and buying drugs from, from Eddie. Didn't wanna believe that. So, yeah, it was, it was a, it was a good season. And they, they hit some very interesting emotional and social issues. And it's gonna be fascinating to see where it goes. And I thought this was gonna be the end. I thought it was gonna be like, be done as a show. So maybe that kind of took me, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be more?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Whatever. That's where I was at with it. I was like, okay, this was, this was good. It was a good season. But where it was going, I was like, all right, we're kind of going into a territory you can't really come back from. You know, I could, like, with some of the superhero stuff. It was like, okay, how many times you gonna like see the threat in New York, you know, I mean the big monster?
Casey G. Smith.: Sure.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's like, okay, we can't, I think they open up a door you can't.
Casey G. Smith.: But this is now, now we know the source of it all. I guess that's the thing like, okay, they've taken us all the way down to the actual source. And I'm like, how, I'm like, how did this thing like survive? So there's, there's, you know, another thing to tell, but I'm, I'm, I would like to see somebody else though, like with some abilities, you know, outside of just L. But that makes it interesting, I guess. It's kinda like a Superman kind of thing.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Right. Cuz I like looking at the recaps. Like if you go back and look at the recaps from the other seasons, like, oh my God, you forget like how this thing came about, you know, with the, the one kid that's struggling with his sexuality.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It was based all around him. Winona and her, her son, he was the one that was seeing all this stuff.
Casey G. Smith.: Yep, he got pulled in.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, and then then L kinda took over once, you know, she became superhero, so like the focus kinda was on her, but I'm like, man. And we did see somebody else with some more superpowers, just not a kid. You know, the adult that showed L, but he's evil, he's our villain.
Casey G. Smith.: One.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, but I was hoping for it to close. I was, I was hoping for it to be done. So when that end credit comes, they're overlooking the city, burn and it's like, it's not, it's not over.
Casey G. Smith.: Not over. And I think that's what kinda got me. I was like, oh, I thought this was gonna like be a wrap.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It would've been, it would've been a good one because these kids are getting grown by the day. You know, they face your hair coming in.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. And L, I think, what, she just turned 18, and then I think Max is like 20, 20 something years old. Like these kids are old. They can't stay in tenth grade forever.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And L, I think, what, she just turned 18, and then I think Max is like 20, 20 something years old. Like these kids are old. Like, you can't stay in tenth grade forever.
Casey G. Smith.: But we also know tradition in Hollywood, you usually have people in their 20s playing high schoolers, stuff like that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Some age harder than others, you know.
Casey G. Smith.: True. I was like, L was looking grown for a second. I was like, I was like L. I'm 11.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Or whatever grade, when they like start ninth grade or something like that, is that what they're going to high school for the first year?
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, yeah. It was like the first year of high school.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I was like, in her face, I was like, she looks like an adult. But you know, it is what it is. Movie magic. Yes, sir. They, they definitely use some of that movie magic with the CGI with the younger L.
Casey G. Smith.: Oh, yeah, for sure. You can, you can, you can see these things. The uncanny valley.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, what else have you been watching?
Casey G. Smith.: Uh, also wrapped up, of course, The Boys. The season three finale.
Reginald Titus Jr.: When you told me last, when we were talking about it last week, we were talking about episode seven, and I thought I watched the whole episode. So you, you you accidentally spoiled it, cuz you were like, you said, yeah, and, and uh Homelander, uh Soldier Boy, was a whole reason for the Black Noir thing. And I'm like, huh? I thought, what do you mean? And in my brain, I pulled, you know, but I said I watched the whole thing, you know, I said I watched episode seven, but in actuality, cuz we watched episode eight today, and we started playing it and you know how they do the recap at the beginning, they're showing us recap stuff I ain't seen. I'm like, what is what? I'm like, what?
Casey G. Smith.: What is going on here? We have, did I miss something?
Reginald Titus Jr.: So what ended up happening was, uh, I go back to see episode seven, and we watched 40 minutes of it. It was like 30 minutes left.
Casey G. Smith.: Ooh! That's incredible. Decent amount of time there.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I was like, oh. So we went back, watched the rest of seven, eight, uh, seven, then we watched eight today. So, yeah. Sorry about that.
Casey G. Smith.: Hey, it's not your fault. I said I watched it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's not your fault. I said I watched it.
Casey G. Smith.: Spoiler alert for The Boys, season finale. Man, I didn't expect Black Noir to, Oh, be dead. Yeah, yeah, man. Like I mean, I knew he had like, he, he had healing factor, stuff like that. But, uh, man, Homelander just like, I mean, ripped the dude's guts out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Oh, be dead. That's a psychopath.
Casey G. Smith.: He, he was more valuable than all y'all in this room. Homelander.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's like his best friend.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. Who looked out for him. Like, you know, but the fact that Black Noir knew that that was his dad, I was like, oh, oops. Like, yeah, okay. Sorry about that. Win some, you lose some. But, uh, but no, I thought the finale was.
Reginald Titus Jr.: As he was dying. Black Noir is dying, his little comic, his little animated characters are like fading back. They're like walking back. It's okay. You'll be visiting Jesus Christ pretty soon. I was like, this guy is, completely insane. Completely insane. Of course, I mean, the fact that all this was retold in his mind through these characters. Yes. This guy's brain damaged. This guy is brain damaged from what Soldier Boy did to him. Like this guy is not, uh, he's not right. No. No, not right at all. But I'm like, man, like the, yeah, I, I was, I was, I was, I was happy, like how, how Maeve stepped up and was going at, going at Homelander. I was like, yeah, I was like, I knew she was like, she's not gonna win. But I'm like, yeah, come on, Maeve, get him. But he got that eye though.
Casey G. Smith.: He got that eye though.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I was like, gouged the eye out. That was rough.
Casey G. Smith.: But he had talked about doing it. He talked about like gouging your eyes out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, okay.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, I was like, oh, made good on half, good on his word. But she was, she was coming at him. You know, she is, if she had had her sword, you know, it might have been even better. But then, but seeing Starlight though, then get that, like, seeing, seeing, sparkles. Huey, Huey, right? Yeah. I always get his name wrong. I always call him something totally different last episode. Seeing Huey like figure out that he didn't have to take the V. He just needed to believe in her and help her. Not not save her, but support her. And so he boosted up, like, used his smarts. Boosted up the light and then she starts floating. I was like, oh, okay. Watch out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Spark. More sparkles are coming.
Casey G. Smith.: Hey, that was cool to see. I was like, okay, that was, that was pretty gratifying. And then, of course, Butcher, his diagnosis like, yeah, you, uh, yeah, this, uh, this is, this is your course. Like, you, you're on a crash course, like, you gonna, you gonna die doing this because he just throws caution and everything. And then, of course, Homelander and his and his, uh, you know, them having to stop Soldier Boy made making that sacrifice and now being powerless. Yeah, cuz remember, oh, yeah, you remember Soldier Boy takes the powers from these folks. Yeah. That's crazy. But the fact that she survived, I was glad to see that she survived. I was like, I didn't expect that. I was like, oh, man, she's, she's gone. It's a noble sacrifice. But I was like, oh, I thought about it. I was like, wait a second, she's a superhero. She might be a Cuz I mean, her, when he jacked up all his other people, they, you know, survived, but, you know, they were just jacked up a little bit. When it comes to other superheroes. Sure. But she was like, point blank. She was right, right in the main. Yeah. Your stuff's gone. But she could potentially just like, um, the woman, uh, that's what she's called in the comic books. But, uh, she's called the woman. Uh, no, um, Frenchie's girlfriend, who got her powers back. Right. She took the regular permanent V. In the comics, she's called the, like, just the woman. Like, if that's like, that's her, that's her, her name, character name. Uh, but you know, so Maeve could do that. She could get reinjected and potentially get her, her abilities back. But, but yeah, but then also then seeing Homelander touchdown with his son and now his son's like kind of making this turn. It's like, oh. Oh, yeah, that's that's rough. This is that's a heck of a backstory. Yeah, he's gonna be, I, I like the satire, you know, just pointing of it of like how they take, you know, common news and things that are happening in our pop culture and kind of putting on his head, kind of poking fun at it, you know, talking about like fake, you know, fake news. And then how people become brainwashed by the things that they're watching. Then we see, uh, Mother's Milk, uh, his daughter, her stepdad, like, get just all enthralled in this like propaganda. Yeah. Saying that Starlight's killing orphans and, and, and, us like, whoa, then you see like how that goes onto the deep in. Like, you know, we see his, you know, person that he's supporting kill somebody in public. And instead of being like appalled by it, he starts cheering it on. Yeah. Kind of makes you think about like, when the people rushed the Capitol and things like that. It's like, wait a second, that's, like, I understand protesting, but there's a different between protesting and now you're doing criminal acts. Yeah, and anarchy. Yeah. So it's like there's, there's a line there and it was crossed. Yeah. And yeah, it's, um, it's gonna get, yeah, Homelander is just continuing to get more empowered. There are no checks or balances. Like, nobody can, there's nobody to talk any sense into him. He is, and he's got his son by his side too. So. So now he has even more reason to do some things now. It's gonna get ugly. Very ugly.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Spark. More sparkles are coming. Hey, that was cool to see. I was like, okay, that was, that was pretty gratifying. And then, of course, Butcher, his diagnosis like, yeah, you, uh, yeah, this, uh, this is, this is your course. Like, you, you're on a crash course, like, you gonna, you gonna die doing this because he just throws caution and everything. And then, of course, Homelander and his and his, uh, you know, them having to stop Soldier Boy made making that sacrifice and now being powerless. Yeah, cuz remember, oh, yeah, you remember Soldier Boy takes the powers from these folks. Yeah. That's crazy. But the fact that she survived, I was glad to see that she survived. I was like, I didn't expect that. I was like, oh, man, she's, she's gone. It's a noble sacrifice. But I was like, oh, I thought about it. I was like, wait a second, she's a superhero. She might be a Cuz I mean, her, when he jacked up all his other people, they, you know, survived, but, you know, they were just jacked up a little bit. When it comes to other superheroes. Sure. But she was like, point blank. She was right, right in the main. Yeah. Your stuff's gone. But she could potentially just like, um, the woman, uh, that's what she's called in the comic books. But, uh, she's called the woman. Uh, no, um, Frenchie's girlfriend, who got her powers back. Right. She took the regular permanent V. In the comics, she's called the, like, just the woman. Like, if that's like, that's her, that's her, her name, character name. Uh, but you know, so Maeve could do that. She could get reinjected and potentially get her, her abilities back. But, but yeah, but then also then seeing Homelander touchdown with his son and now his son's like kind of making this turn. It's like, oh. Oh, yeah, that's that's rough. This is that's a heck of a backstory. Yeah, he's gonna be, I, I like the satire, you know, just pointing of it of like how they take, you know, common news and things that are happening in our pop culture and kind of putting on his head, kind of poking fun at it, you know, talking about like fake, you know, fake news. And then how people become brainwashed by the things that they're watching. Then we see, uh, Mother's Milk, uh, his daughter, her stepdad, like, get just all enthralled in this like propaganda. Yeah. Saying that Starlight's killing orphans and, and, and, us like, whoa, then you see like how that goes onto the deep in. Like, you know, we see his, you know, person that he's supporting kill somebody in public. And instead of being like appalled by it, he starts cheering it on. Yeah. Kind of makes you think about like, when the people rushed the Capitol and things like that. It's like, wait a second, that's, like, I understand protesting, but there's a different between protesting and now you're doing criminal acts. Yeah, and anarchy. Yeah. So it's like there's, there's a line there and it was crossed. Yeah. And yeah, it's, um, it's gonna get, yeah, Homelander is just continuing to get more empowered. There are no checks or balances. Like, nobody can, there's nobody to talk any sense into him. He is, and he's got his son by his side too. So. So now he has even more reason to do some things now. It's gonna get ugly. Very ugly.
Casey G. Smith.: Um, also saw Thor Love and Thunder.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Thoughts?
Casey G. Smith.: Wonderful.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Really?
Casey G. Smith.: Yes. It was, it was, they, they, they take what they did in Ragnarok. Which I really enjoy Ragnarok. Went to the theater to watch that one. I think if you, if you enjoy Ragnarok, you'll enjoy this too. It's like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Taika did this one as well?
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's got the, it's got the humor. But there's some really nice heartfelt moments. Natalie Portman as the Mighty Thor. Yeah, she's, she's fantastic. Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie is great. Taika Waititi as Korg is, is awesome. It's good. They, they, yeah, and Christian Bale as Gore, the, the God Butcher is, yeah, it's, very, very enjoyable. Oh, it exceeded my expectations. I was like, okay, I think it'll be good. But you know, Ragnarok is, that's, hey, Ragnarok is pretty freaking awesome. Yeah. But yeah, they did their thing. Kudos to, to them.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Back in Thor. Ah. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Casey G. Smith.: But yeah, they did their thing. Kudos to, to them.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, what else have you been watching?
Casey G. Smith.: I watched everything everywhere all at once.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh. Um, did you rent it? Did you purchase it?
Casey G. Smith.: Purchased.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Blu-ray? 4K? What did you get?
Casey G. Smith.: Both. With the 4K, with the Blu-ray.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wow. Okay.
Casey G. Smith.: Side surprise in the side.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, I, I've been hearing nothing but great things about this film.
Casey G. Smith.: Deservedly so.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And yeah, I wanted to watch it in the theater. That's one I wanted to watch in the theater. Top Gun is one. Um, yeah, but yeah, , what'd you think?
Casey G. Smith.: It's, it's pretty brilliant, to be honest. It is brilliant. It's heartfelt. It's, it's a trip. At the same time. There's a lot, there's a lot going on. I'm going to look forward to taking it in again and listening to the commentary because it's directed by two, two guys. I think they're both their last names is David. It's called the Date by directed by the Davids, they say. But it is, wow.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith.: Amazing, amazing performances and yeah, it, it does multiverse in a, in a pretty incredible way. Okay. But yeah, it, it, the praise that it's received, I am like, oh, I understand now. Yeah, I can't wait to watch it. Um, I'm gonna go ahead and purchase. I'll try and figure out what should I do. Should I, like, it's worth it. You, you, you're gonna dig it, man. I think you, you, you're gonna totally dig it. I know you like some things that are sometimes a little quirky. This has all of that and there is, there's certain stuff you can just freeze frame and you think, man, how much work did they put in to, to pull this off? Cuz there were times I just randomly paused it during certain scenes where kinda the multiverse thing is happening. I would just pause it just to see cuz it's like stuff is flashing. I'm like, whoa, like dang, that's a lot of looks to put in for these like quick frames. So yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty, pretty amazing, man.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I'm gonna go ahead and purchase. I'll try and figure out what should I do. Should I. Like, it's worth it. I think you, you, you, you're gonna dig it, man. I think you, you, you, you're gonna totally dig it. I know you like some things that are sometimes a little quirky. This has all of that and there is. There's certain stuff you can just freeze frame and you think, man, how much work did they put in to, to pull this off? Cuz there were times I just randomly paused it during certain scenes where kinda the multiverse thing is happening. I would just pause it just to see cuz it's like stuff is flashing. I'm like, whoa, like dang, that's a lot of looks to put in for these like quick frames. So yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty, pretty amazing, man.
Casey G. Smith.: Sorry about that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, sir. Um, how about you?
Casey G. Smith.: I'm, I'm, that's it, man. That's all I had time for this week. Um, what's today's show? Where are we sponsored by today?
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Edward Scissorhands Synopsis & Initial Reactions
Reginald Titus Jr.: Now let's jump back into the show. Thank you for tuning in to Filmmaker Commentary. We're talking about Edward Scissorhands by Tim Burton, 1990. Let's jump into the synopsis. Edward's lonely life in a Gothic castle changes forever when he meets a kind-hearted Avon lady who takes him to a pastel paradise known as Suburbia. Thanks to his fantastic talents, Edward becomes a neighborhood sensation, but when he falls in love with Kim, he must go to extraordinary lengths to protect her. Edward Scissorhands. And if this is your first time listening to Filmmaker Commentary, please know that there will be spoilers. You've been forewarned. How did you watch this film, did you watch it beforehand? Tell us about it.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes, I saw this film as a child. I don't think I saw it in theaters though. I think I saw it when it came on HBO. And it, it's one of those films that just sticks with you as far as the, the imagery, the, the soundtrack, the performances, just a, just a beautiful film. It was so, it was very nice to revisit this so many years later and it's still quite charming and and lovely. It's very, it's a very enjoyable film.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, agreed. Yeah, I don't think I watched, went to the theater to watch that either. Um, but on HBO or something like that. Yeah, and you're right, it's stick with you. You know, as a kid watching it, the fantasy you can kinda get sucked up into it more. Uh, watching it as an adult now, I'm like, okay. That's why I know right here. That's uh, you know what I mean, start I'm looking at different things now instead of just like being truly like swept all the way up in it. Um, but still, still a great film. Um, you purchased the Blu-ray? Cuz I had, I got the DVD.
Casey G. Smith.: Blu-ray.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Blu-ray. Yeah, I the movie trading company I went to was the only one that didn't have the Blu-ray.
Casey G. Smith.: Hmm, I looked on Amazon and I, I saw it for a good price. I saw it for like $5.99. There was, there was one Blu-ray version that was $11.99, but this one I saw, I found another one that was Blu-ray, $5.99. I was like, yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And it was new?
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. And just, poof, clicked. I'll take that. Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, I'll take that. Yeah, I think I'm gonna start shopping on Amazon for some of these Blu-rays.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, you find the right deal at the right time, it's like, all right, pull the trigger.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Already on Prime anyway. Sir. Um, would you like or not like about this film?

Likes, Dislikes & Commentary Insights
Casey G. Smith.: So, when it comes to likes or dislikes. I like the colors in this film, the use of colors . You know, you, you mentioned it in the synopsis, the, the pastels of, of, of the homes. Like it's super, it's super charming and in the throwback to this, you know, American dream. And at times it's almost difficult to place where this film takes place. But there are a couple of things that, because as first I was like, okay, is this set in the 60s or the 50s? But then when I saw Kim's boyfriend by, uh, Andrew Seeley, I don't even remember his name, but I remember from weird science. He's, he's, he grew up. Yeah, you know, like he's grown man now. But he had some, some like Air Jordans, some Nikes on. I'm like, okay, this is definitely set in the 80s. Right. Plus the van that they're driving around, that's the, those are like the most modern things in the whole film. And then he also mentioned the CD player. Ah, yeah, so there's some, it's, it's like a town that's almost stuck in the past, but there's a couple of modern amenities of the time. But the colors are there and the contrast with the castle and then Ebon himself just being black and white in general. So the colors are, are lovely. The performances, again, Winona Ryder, typically we see her, you know, she's the brunette, you know, in the 90s and 2000s, the Pixie Cut, Brunette. But she's got this strawberry blonde hair going and just looks phenomenal in, in this film. Like just, wow, especially the shot of her with the snowflakes falling. It's very like, uh, angelic, I don't know. Angelic, but also like the little, the little, um, decorations where you have the, the, you shake the little thing up and. Oh, the snow globe. Yeah, like a snow globe, a snow like, like somebody who should be in a snow globe with the snowflakes falling around. And then even, uh, Diane Wiest. Yeah. As the, this, this totally loving motherly character. Like there's something in her eyes that's just so like genuine when she looks on, on Edward. I just, I absolutely love it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mm-hmm. Ah. Right. What. Right. Yeah. Oh.
Casey G. Smith.: You know, like, oh, yeah. Okay.
Reginald Titus Jr.: She always plays, well, I wouldn't say always, but she's played a great mother. I've seen her, I remember her from, uh, uh, a film called Parenthood.
Casey G. Smith.: Mm. And she was with the troubled kid. Um, who I think is, uh, Joaquin Phoenix in that film. Um, also Keanu Reeves is in there. It's like a lot of stars in that Parenthood. And, uh, Steve, what's the, the comedian with the white hair?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ah, okay.
Casey G. Smith.: Uh, Steve Martin. Yes. Um, he was a lead, of course, in that film. But that, that one, that Parenthood film stuck with me. That's one of those 90s films. Well, quirky film, but a lot of life lessons in there.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes.
Casey G. Smith.: It's a, it's a great TV show that was on NBC. Like they did a, they did, I mean, a number of seasons, that show. Remember you talking about that?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Remember you talking about that.
Casey G. Smith.: Fantastic. And I, I guess I have to assume it's based off the, the movie. Yeah. So that's awesome. So I like that as well as just the, the, the manners that they have. They're so proper and trying to be polite. I don't know, I like, I just like seeing that. You don't see that too often in films. So, that was charming. Vincent Price. Seeing Vincent Price in this film in the 90s. Vincent Price, I knew of him from childhood and the old little monster books. I would read with the old classic movies. And of course, him doing the, the, the rap in Thriller. Creatures crawling so blah. Yes, your neighbors. But seeing him there, and you know he's in his latter years, but I was like, yo, that's Vincent Price. So that's just charming that he has that cameo. And then how they handled the flashbacks of Edward, how those were mixed in. I just like how that it, it kinda flows seamlessly and it, it, it works to filling his backstory.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Yep, same here. I always forget about Pee-wee's Big Adventure.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I like the, um, my main thing I put down was like the compositions of Tim Burton and how he framed or put people in a frame to transition to like if he cut onto somebody, they were in the previous frame. It's, uh, well done, using the colors like you were saying. Uh, well thought out.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes. It is smooth. It just, this film just flows. And there's no real like lulls to it. It's just like, it feels like it goes by quick. Like, oh, we're done. Okay. Hey, that does stop. Um, the commentary. Uh, Tim Burton, I watched, I listened to the Tim Burton, uh commentary. It seems like he just comes in and then like disappears on you. Like he doesn't let you know he's leaving. He's just gone. Like, okay, I guess we're watching this together.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That does stop.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. But, but sometimes that works and gives those moments to like let it breathe. True. And yeah, I thought it, I thought it, I thought it worked. But yeah, you're like, oh, Where's Tim at? And then he comes back in. You're like, okay, there he is. So.
Reginald Titus Jr.: True.
Casey G. Smith.: So.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I guess it was different. It was a different experience. I was like, I can give it some time to actually watch enjoy the film a little bit more, you know, set on my second watch. Like, okay, wasn't too bad. Um, did, uh, did you listen to the other commentary? Cuz I know it was the commentary with the composer.
Casey G. Smith.: I tried. Oh, I tried. And maybe just I had a busy day the day before, but I, I put on Danny Elfman. I know, no shade to Danny Elfman, but I, I tried and with that one, the, the, the dialogue track is totally muted. So all you hear is the score. Oh, no. And he comes in occasionally. Oh, no. To talk. Yeah. And I love Elfman's scores, but it's, but it's, it's, you know, the, I was like, yeah, I was, I was dozing, I was like, oh, no. I was like, I can't do it. I can't do it. Yeah, I'm like, it's a hot Sunday in Texas. Sorry, Danny, I can't do this, baby. So I had, I had, I had to check out. You can't just be ghosting like that. Like, if you're gonna do that, you have to talk the whole time. And he wasn't. He wasn't talking the whole time. He's like, okay, this, this piece was. I was like, no, man. I was like, I need you to keep it going. And there's no dialogue from anybody. I'm like, yeah, this is not gonna work. I, I even have it on my 1.5 and it's still. And cuz he, and he waits a while to come in. Like, he doesn't even talk during the opening credits. He's not saying anything. I was like, I was like, sister, is this commentary on? I thought my mom was broke. I thought my mom was broken. I was like, I didn't hear him at all. The titles were playing. I was like, okay, maybe they forgot. Then I.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, no. Oh, no. That's kinda floating. The music is like kinda floating.
Casey G. Smith.: It's not 'til after the opening. He's like, he's like admiring his work. It's not 'til after the opening credits and when the mom starts knocking on doors, hey, this is Danny Elfman. I was like, dude, I was like, I thought you were gone. I was like, you thought you weren't there. You skipped around here. For real. Yeah, no, I didn't watch that one. On Tim Burton's commentary, I think it was funny when he said this is. He was talking about, um, the house that what's his name lived in? Uh, Edward Scissorhands. He's like, this is Martha Stewart's house when she's like old and crazy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: You skipped around here.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, not, I didn't watch that one. On Tim Burton's commentary, I think it was funny when he said this is. He was talking about, um, the house that what's his name lived in? Uh, Edward Scissorhands. He's like, this is Martha Stewart's house when she's like old and crazy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I was like, man, he's doing some shade there, Tim.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. But it was kinda nice to hear him kinda relaxed. He seemed very relaxed. I think I've heard him other times, semi kinda more, more tense or maybe not so much into it. So I, I liked kinda hearing and seeing this, this side of him. He seemed just very chill and kinda talked about his growing up in California in kinda those areas. So I, I enjoyed it from that, that standpoint.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So I, I enjoyed it from that, that standpoint.
Casey G. Smith.: Did you watch any other special features? Was there anything worth watching?
Reginald Titus Jr.: There's a, a four-minute featurette which, you know, we've seen in different movies. Like Beverly Hills Cop has kinda the same thing. But heck, that was honestly longer than this one. I was, I was pretty pissed about it. Like, I like, give me, cuz it's like 20th anniversary. Yeah, 20th anniversary edition. I expected more too. Yeah. And it was like, you know, like, hey, here's this thing we shot when we made the film. And it's not, it's not even like a retrospective, like people, like, revisiting the actors, something like that. That's what I want. I want a, cuz you know there's a lot of story behind all this stuff, all the set designs cuz, you know, he's just intricate like that. And this is such a unique look. So I really, really wanted more. So I was, I was about that. Maybe I'll go on YouTube and see if there's something else. But yeah, there's gotta be some coverage somewhere because I mean so, I mean all that kinda goes to waste in a way outside of just watching the film. But like, hey, what's I love the behind the scenes stuff.
Casey G. Smith.: And I was, I was pretty pissed about it. Like, I like, give me, cuz it's like 20th anniversary. Yeah, 20th anniversary edition. I expected more too. Yeah. And it was like, you know, like, hey, here's this thing we shot when we made the film. And it's not, it's not even like a retrospective, like people, like, revisiting the actors, something like that. That's what I want. I want a, cuz you know there's a lot of story behind all this stuff, all the set designs cuz, you know, he's just intricate like that. And this is such a unique look. So I really, really wanted more. So I was, I was about that. Maybe I'll go on YouTube and see if there's something else. But yeah, there's gotta be some coverage somewhere because I mean so, I mean all that kinda goes to waste in a way outside of just watching the film. But like, hey, what's I love the behind the scenes stuff.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I expected more too. Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Exactly. So, I mean, feature-wise, it's on the Blu-ray DVD. You've got two trailers, you have the two commentaries, and you have the short featurette. But that's it. Super, super light. No deleted scenes or anything. Like, meh. Okay. So, like, on the DVD, same thing. It had the same exact features. I just expected more from the Blu-ray.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay. So, like, on the DVD, same thing. It had the same exact features. I just expected more from the Blu-ray.
Casey G. Smith.: Totally. And it was, uh, maybe this, maybe a 4K edition that'll come out. Cuz I mean, that was 90 when this dropped.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Maybe this, maybe a 4K edition that'll come out. Cuz I mean, that was 90 when this dropped.
Casey G. Smith.: I don't know.

Tone, Themes & Special Features
Reginald Titus Jr.: The tone of this film, what are your thoughts about how they created their tone? I know Tim Burton talked a little bit about that on the commentary.
Casey G. Smith.: So, tone-wise, this is a a fairy tale. Right. Um, and it's got that, somebody mentioned, actually in the featurette that it's they say, they said fable. Because it's a fable, something that's not real, but there are realities that that we are familiar with that we that we take from it. For me, totally, I see, I see three particular stories that we are all familiar with that are incorporated in this. I see Pinocchio, uh as well as Frankenstein. Mm-hmm. And crap, what was the third one? Cinderella? I don't know. Uh no, it was Pinocchio, it was Frankenstein. Beauty and the Beast. Yes, that's the other one, Beauty and the Beast. Like all three of those are, are elements, are are within this. Yeah. Because we see initially the Pinocchio aspect as we get the flashbacks. Fill it saying, okay, this guy is not, not real. He's not a real human being. He's a machine that's, he's a cyborg. Yeah. Uh in essence, yeah, he's a he's a machine that is then given elements of, of being lifelike. Um, no, he's a synthosoid. That's the one. He's like Vision. He's a synthosoid. He's got synthetic parts. Even even though he has some blood, but he's but he's not, he's not a a full-blown human.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Cinderella? I don't know.
Casey G. Smith.: Beauty and the Beast. Yes, that's the other one, Beauty and the Beast. Like all three of those are, are elements, are are within this. Yeah. Because we see initially the Pinocchio aspect as we get the flashbacks. Fill it saying, okay, this guy is not, not real. He's not a real human being. He's a machine that's, he's a cyborg. Yeah. Uh in essence, yeah, he's a he's a machine that is then given elements of, of being lifelike. Um, no, he's a synthosoid. That's the one. He's like Vision. He's a synthosoid. He's got synthetic parts. Even even though he has some blood, but he's but he's not, he's not a a full-blown human.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, fantasy for real. Because I mean, if it was sci-fi I was like, how's this being made? You know, but like we kinda just go with the fantasy in this story.
Casey G. Smith.: For real. I'm like, where's this guy get the money from? He's just baking cookies. That guy's selling a half a lot of cookies to this little town from childhood time of this hill.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Baking cookies.
Casey G. Smith.: Oh, but yeah, so that Pinocchio aspect, like he's almost a real boy. Almost gonna get those hands before his inventor dies. And then we get the Frankenstein aspect because he, the town initially sees him and he gets that love, but then they eventually become that mob that turns on him. You know, he's, he's so, he's too different now. And then, of course, you know, the Beauty and the Beast. He's, he's a bit monstrous in his appearance and even in his, he's, he's dangerous. He doesn't have claws, but he's got. He can cut you. I mean, the guy cuts himself. He's like, oh, you want this guy to hold you? Are you sure about that?
Reginald Titus Jr.: He's dangerous. I, I would when he was doing, he would do stuff like he would cut the bushes, and then he's like cutting people's food, cutting people's hair dogs. Like, what, this is disgusting. Haven't seen him like sanitize these scissors.
Casey G. Smith.: Well, that one girl said, he cut that with his hands. I just can't. I'm like, you've got a valid point, my dear. You have a valid point. Fair enough. Like, are we steaming these things or something? Like, it's, you, yeah, he's cutting dog hair. Like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, I just can't. You have a valid point, my dear. You have a valid point. Fair enough. Like, are we steaming these things or something? Like, it's, you, yeah, he's cutting dog hair. Like.
Casey G. Smith.: But that one girl said, he cut that with his hands. I just can't. I'm like, you've got a valid point, my dear. You have a valid point. Fair enough. Like, are we steaming these things or something? Like, it's, you, yeah, he's cutting dog hair. Like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He's had blood. He's had blood on his scissors numerous times. If you're trimming a dog, you. Where them blades been?
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. Where them blades been? Oh, past. Right. Um, so yeah, so it's got all, I think all three of those elements worked into the, into the tone. So, it's, uh, yeah, very much a fairy tale. There are some humor, there are some, um, tender moments. Yeah. And there's some, and there's some, you know, a sadness within the character through, throughout. Yeah. And Tim, he kinda talks about setting the tone. I mean, he does it through at the beginning of the film. Like kinda with the music, you know, so, so you like, okay, we kinda get the vibe of what it is. And then and then the title sequence with, you know, all the fantasy stuff that's moving around. Okay, that's how he kinda sets his tone on what, what you should be ready for, what you should expect once this starts. And to that point, you can think about his films. And there are thing, there's themes like instantly come to mind whether it's Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice. Yeah. Batman 1989. Mm-hmm. And even Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Oh, yeah. Some of those sounds like just like those scores, you know, him and Elfman, they're, they're that, that combination. Yeah. Got that creepy music going. Especially with Pee-wee's Playhouse. It was un, it was unexpectedly creepy sometimes. Large Marge, bro. That as a kid, me and my sister, he scared the out of us. We were like, nah. Like that scene would come on, I would turn away. I almost wanna watch that. Oh, yeah. Same here. Like this, this has me wanna to revisit. Like Beetlejuice, like, I'm like, man, I kinda wanna revisit some of those. Um, had a, what, what, what style do you think they were going for with this film?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, past. Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Oh, yeah. Same here. Like this, this has me wanna to revisit. Like Beetlejuice, like, I'm like, man, I kinda wanna revisit some of those. Um, had a, what, what, what style do you think they were going for with this film?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Ooh, stylistically, man, it's, it's like, it's goth and Suburbia. It's contrast. I mean, as I like to say, there's a lot of, of contrast from the world that Edward lives in on top of the hill, in that mansion is just, I mean, it's just black and whites and grays to the colorful Suburbia when he gets interjected into that. He is this, this such a a different figure. Probaby it made me think almost he's almost like, it made me think of kinda like, like almost like a Christ-like figure. He comes in, comes into this town and and and he's got people kinda following him and he's initially lauded. Mm-hmm. And then it gets to a point where like he's persecuted and has to, he has to ascend and and and kinda get away, get away from it all. Um, yeah, I would say the same thing, yeah, with the style. The the thing that stands out like with those houses, I'm like, that, I mean, they paid for that too, but it's. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's right there. It change. It makes, like, it creates the world. And it's not just the, it's the houses, it's the cars, and how the people are dressed. Like they're also equally colorful and they always seem like, like you're kinda five main ladies who are floating around gossiping. Like their outfits are always in the different pastel colors. Like they're never like the same. They're always like just different.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Right. Oh, yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Like, are we steaming these things or something? Like, it's, you, yeah, he's cutting dog hair. Like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I like the, like the wide angles. Cuz he uses wide angles quite a bit. And then also he'll be on a wide and then just use a a telephoto zoom lens to kind of zoom in, especially like when it's the first time we see Edward. Seeing his reaction of coming into the home of the Avon lady.
Casey G. Smith.: Peg.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Peg. Um, what are some themes that you came across?
Casey G. Smith.: Woohoo, themes. True love. Yeah. I had the theme of lust. Mm-hmm. Because I feel like the, the town is, first off, they're they're lusting for something new, right? Whatever comes to town, there's lust for new and exciting. Then you have a lust for what he can provide, his talents. Kinda exploding that. Oh, you know, cut my lawn. Oh, cut my pad. Oh, cut my hair. Then there is this, this lust for for blood. Oh, you know, you know, you're, you're too different now. We always we always knew you would be trouble. So, and even once he's gone away and that, that officer, you know, lets him go back to his home and even fires the shots. Like, okay, it's it's done. Then you have Get out of here. Yeah, then you have the townspeople standing there and he's like, it's over, go back home. Then you have kinda the head lady, the, the one who is literally lustful. Uh, she's like, well, I wanna know. And she steps right into things. Let me make sure I get the character's name because she is, she epitomizes the, the lust throughout the town.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mm-hmm. Get out of here.
Casey G. Smith.: Joyce. Joyce. Her style reminds me of Peg from Married with Children. Yeah. She's got kinda that, yeah, that 80s like mob boss wife kinda vibe going on. But she's, yeah, so yeah, a theme of lust. And then I have another theme of not seeing things for what they are. Yeah. And I feel, I feel like that's not just, well, I mean, everybody's all in all takes place in one town. But initially, even with Peg, like, this guy is, you know nothing about this guy. You don't realize that he's a synthosoid, not even not even human. And you brought him into your home with your, your, your, your young boy. Yeah. And your teenage daughter. Yeah. With blades, sharp blades for hands. You know nothing about him. And then when he gets to a point where he gets angry after he comes back from the arrest, he's literally slicing your house up. And still, she's, she's very to defend him. I'm not thinking of that, that, that danger.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Joyce. Oh, yeah. That part was funny because he he's mad when he does that. And they and they go, they're eating dinner again. I'm like, I don't know how we're gonna replace these drapes, but um, we're losing confidence in you.
Casey G. Smith.: So, I'm like, I don't know how we're gonna replace these drapes, but um, we're losing confidence in you.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, I'm like, I don't know how we're gonna replace these drapes, but um, we're losing confidence in you.
Casey G. Smith.: We can, we can figure out how to replace the drapes, but uh, our trust in you, Edward, that's gonna be a tough one. So that brings me to the dad because and then with his theme of not seeing thing, he's, he's the prime culprit. Yeah. Because once, once Edward comes back from Joyce trying to seduce him and he, and he there's sitting at the table in the restaurant and he's like, he's like, did you have a productive day, Edward? And he's like, yes, you know, I went here and there. And then we went to the shop where they could have a special place for, you know, Peg to, you know, have her, her, her makeup and stuff there. And he goes, then we went to the back room where Miss Ono took all of her clothes off.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Man, the go ahead.
Casey G. Smith.: Man, the go ahead. He just breezes right past that. Well, you know, Edward, he thinks it's exciting. You're you're gonna be going in the business. He doesn't say anything about it. He doesn't even see it. Like, so the reaction of the actors, you got the little boy who's like laughing that it happened. But then you got the sister, played by Winona Ryder, who was like, kinda concerned about this. And the mother looks kinda like furious, but she's trying to hide it. And so the reactions of all those actors are brilliant. And the dad says nothing. Like like there's no big deal. Then when he's on the roof putting the, the, the Christmas decorations up and the boyfriend attacks Edward and he's telling him, get out of here, freak. Get out of here. And Edward is is walking off. Then the dad's like, he's like he didn't hear the boyfriend bullying him out of there. He's like, Edward, where are you going? Like, you oblivious. You have to realize that he's just been bullied out of here. You say nothing to the boyfriend, where are you going? So he is kinda this prime example of not seeing things that's going south. But he has his, his tales of morality and stuff like that. So he's, he's the classic kinda checked out dad. Checked out 100%. When his wife was, when they were getting him out of jail, then she was just like, those TV programs, damned them. Damned them the hell. He's just agreeable. Oh, man. He's like, yeah, that's it. Um, I had, he'd rather be bowling. Yeah, for sure. I had a theme, and some of these I had looked up. I was like, okay, what, you know, what makes sense? I don't know. Um, but the religious theme, you know, you know, that was kinda, kinda, I didn't pay attention to it at first. Uh, when the lady was like, he's an abomination. And like, they kinda painted her to be like the crazy person. And then it flips around. It's like, you know, he, uh, Edward just cuts a demon outside of her, uh, house. Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, so there is like some religious thing. So this thing is a deeper movie or you can just kinda look at it as just a fantasy. Depends on how you want to dive into it. Sure. Whatever, whatever trope for just that, that, that different factor that comes into a town that is very much, you know, slice of of of Americana. Oh, for sure. And then you inject the difference. Whether whether you can see him as goth, you know, whether you see him as almost like of a different race. Yeah. He's not human. So he's, he's a different, he's just different in like every way possible. He's just in everything. And he's objectified, you know, objectification. Like you were saying earlier, what can you do for me? You know, type of thing. And we kinda see that when you're talking about America, you know, dealing with black folks, you know, what can you do? You know. And then being and then being being accused, right? Right. I mean, he gets sucker into, you know, the crime. But then even afterwards when that woman, when Joyce comes on to him. And then when the women are talking on the phone, well he, he practically raped Joyce. Yeah. So, y'all know what Joyce is like. You know she threw herself at him. Well, they're gonna protect themselves. You know, they're gonna, hey, we're, hey, this is what we're doing. It's all, this is all our community. She's one of ours. You're an outsider. Yeah, I could felt that. I was like, so it's like, uh, like Edward's more like a metaphor for, you know, take your pick of whatever it is. Agreed. Um, so conformity, um, a loss of innocence. You know, especially when everybody's turning on him. Um, and then like, how do you deal with those differences? Winona Ryder said in an interview that I just watched, she was like, she feels that, you know, the whole town again, they take to him so quick, but she says she feels that her character, Kim, has the only real honest reaction to him. Like she's like, well, why, why are his hands like that? And she, she slowly gets to know him and his affection for her. And that's when she kinda comes around too, but it's, but it's, it's kinda seems more natural. Yeah, someone that has like, like, yeah, like you were saying, like, what's going on? Like, how a regular person would react to somebody that's like freaked out. That's a, you know, that's not normal. She, she accepts him for who he is, not for what he can do. Yeah. Yeah. He got a point. And then the religious lady, you know, was pointed out at the very beginning. That's an abomination. Yeah. Demon spawn. Um, from, uh, director's point of view, you know, one of the things he did mention was just like when you're building the sets, like building that world, it's beneficial for everybody and like put you truly in that world. You know, he was able to build, you know, that little castle or build like, be able to take over a neighborhood and build that world. So I think Tim Burton comes from that perspective of a lot of his work, you know, being like just engulfed in that world.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Man, the go ahead. He just breezes right past that. Well, you know, Edward, he thinks it's exciting. You're you're gonna be going in the business. He doesn't say anything about it. He doesn't even see it. Like, so the reaction of the actors, you got the little boy who's like laughing that it happened. But then you got the sister, played by Winona Ryder, who was like, kinda concerned about this. And the mother looks kinda like furious, but she's trying to hide it. And so the reactions of all those actors are brilliant. And the dad says nothing. Like like there's no big deal. Then when he's on the roof putting the, the, the Christmas decorations up and the boyfriend attacks Edward and he's telling him, get out of here, freak. Get out of here. And Edward is is walking off. Then the dad's like, he's like he didn't hear the boyfriend bullying him out of there. He's like, Edward, where are you going? Like, you oblivious. You have to realize that he's just been bullied out of here. You say nothing to the boyfriend, where are you going? So he is kinda this prime example of not seeing things that's going south. But he has his, his tales of morality and stuff like that. So he's, he's the classic kinda checked out dad. Checked out 100%. When his wife was, when they were getting him out of jail, then she was just like, those TV programs, damned them. Damned them the hell. He's just agreeable. Oh, man. He's like, yeah, that's it. Um, I had, he'd rather be bowling. Yeah, for sure. I had a theme, and some of these I had looked up. I was like, okay, what, you know, what makes sense? I don't know. Um, but the religious theme, you know, you know, that was kinda, kinda, I didn't pay attention to it at first. Uh, when the lady was like, he's an abomination. And like, they kinda painted her to be like the crazy person. And then it flips around. It's like, you know, he, uh, Edward just cuts a demon outside of her, uh, house. Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, so there is like some religious thing. So this thing is a deeper movie or you can just kinda look at it as just a fantasy. Depends on how you want to dive into it. Sure. Whatever, whatever trope for just that, that, that different factor that comes into a town that is very much, you know, slice of of of Americana. Oh, for sure. And then you inject the difference. Whether whether you can see him as goth, you know, whether you see him as almost like of a different race. Yeah. He's not human. So he's, he's a different, he's just different in like every way possible. He's just in everything. And he's objectified, you know, objectification. Like you were saying earlier, what can you do for me? You know, type of thing. And we kinda see that when you're talking about America, you know, dealing with black folks, you know, what can you do? You know. And then being and then being being accused, right? Right. I mean, he gets sucker into, you know, the crime. But then even afterwards when that woman, when Joyce comes on to him. And then when the women are talking on the phone, well he, he practically raped Joyce. Yeah. So, y'all know what Joyce is like. You know she threw herself at him. Well, they're gonna protect themselves. You know, they're gonna, hey, we're, hey, this is what we're doing. It's all, this is all our community. She's one of ours. You're an outsider. Yeah, I could felt that. I was like, so it's like, uh, like Edward's more like a metaphor for, you know, take your pick of whatever it is. Agreed. Um, so conformity, um, a loss of innocence. You know, especially when everybody's turning on him. Um, and then like, how do you deal with those differences? Winona Ryder said in an interview that I just watched, she was like, she feels that, you know, the whole town again, they take to him so quick, but she says she feels that her character, Kim, has the only real honest reaction to him. Like she's like, well, why, why are his hands like that? And she, she slowly gets to know him and his affection for her. And that's when she kinda comes around too, but it's, but it's, it's kinda seems more natural. Yeah, someone that has like, like, yeah, like you were saying, like, what's going on? Like, how a regular person would react to somebody that's like freaked out. That's a, you know, that's not normal. She, she accepts him for who he is, not for what he can do. Yeah. Yeah. He got a point. And then the religious lady, you know, was pointed out at the very beginning. That's an abomination. Yeah. Demon spawn. Um, from, uh, director's point of view, you know, one of the things he did mention was just like when you're building the sets, like building that world, it's beneficial for everybody and like put you truly in that world. You know, he was able to build, you know, that little castle or build like, be able to take over a neighborhood and build that world. So I think Tim Burton comes from that perspective of a lot of his work, you know, being like just engulfed in that world.
Casey G. Smith.: 100%. And I think that's one of those stamps that are on all of his films. The stylistically, it's always so unique. Whether you go back to Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Yeah. Beetlejuice. Yeah. Beetlejuice is one of my favorites. Batman '89 is one of my favorites. Man. Cuz he, he's, I mean, it's got his stamp. You know, like, wow, this is everything in it. Like you, you are transported into that world and it's, it's unique in and of itself within those films. You are. Everything is is reflective of, of that world, of that space.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Beetlejuice is one of my favorites. Batman '89 is one of my favorites. Man. Got a point.
Casey G. Smith.: Everything is is reflective of, of that world, of that space.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I think at the time that I watched that, I wasn't even aware of, like, of course, you see the name, Tim Burton puts his name on Tim Burton Presents. So whatever. But, um, I didn't know that guy that did Batman also did Pee-wee. You know, or also did Beetlejuice. But I watched all of those.
Casey G. Smith.: Yep, same here. I always forget about Pee-wee's Big Adventure. But, like, whoa, that's, uh, yeah, it's powerful. I mean, he, you know, has, I mean, a clear impact on, on cinema. Things that, that he did in creation. But I think in particular during that, that time, that, that run. And then into the other projects, you know, some of the animation projects, which are his roots, because he used to be an animator for, for Disney. Yeah. And then branched out into film.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Uh, what, what, what's, you know. Ah, got to be a clear impact on, on cinema. Things that, that he did in creation. But I think in particular during that, that time, that, that run. And then into the other projects, you know, some of the animation projects, which are his roots, because he used to be an animator for, for Disney. Yeah. And then branched out into film.
Casey G. Smith.: Uh, yeah, it's powerful. I mean, he, you know, has, I mean, a clear impact on, on cinema. Things that, that he did in creation. But I think in particular during that, that time, that, that run. And then into the other projects, you know, some of the animation projects, which are his roots, because he used to be an animator for, for Disney. Yeah. And then branched out into film.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yeah. Um, do you have like any favorite scenes or, uh, memorable scenes that stick out to you?
Casey G. Smith.: When Edward is, is riding back with Peg, when she first picks him up and they're riding in her car and he's like just enamored by things in the town and he, he goes to point and he, he brings his scissor fingers right in front of her face and she freaks out for a moment because it's just this big. He's like, and he's like, it's that just cracks me up because it's such a, it's such a honest moment. He's just trying to point and she just sees his this, this scissor hand in front of her face, which is a totally normal reaction. He's like, he's like a child. Reminds me like my kids, you know, we, we just spend a lot of time at the house, stuff like that. So it's funny when we go out and they haven't seen anything. They're excited. I was like, oh, I need to take y'all out more. Sorry about that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He's like, he's like a child. Reminds me like my kids, you know, we, we just spend a lot of time at the house, stuff like that. So it's funny when we go out and they haven't seen anything. They're excited. I was like, oh, I need to take y'all out more. Sorry about that.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, so yeah, there's new experiences. And so her reaction is so, uh, it's so normal and, and it just cracked me up seeing that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I like the, uh, the Avon lady selling door-to-door. That's basically how we opened up to meet, um, Peg. Yeah, to meet her. It's like, oh, she's an Avon lady. She's going door-to-door. But everybody's already been through this process with her. She's like, almost like a multi-level marketing person that's just like, hey, like, all right, we've heard this pitch thousands of times. One of the ladies like, you know I'm not buying from you, right? Then she slams the door. She's just going to everybody. But it's a cool way that we do get to, uh, meet our characters.
Casey G. Smith.: And we, we learned about her persistence because those same people, she's still gonna go right around. And she's got a little, she gives her an across, she has a little checklist. She's checking off those names. She's organized. Yeah. And she's determined. She's going for it. She is. And then finally she just gets a wild hair and looks in her rearview mirror at the creepy mansion on top of the hill. I was like, I'm still like, you know, ain't nobody there. That place is abandoned. But hey, when you're in sales, especially when you're doing the old school cold calling and you're trying to hit some quotas, you'll, you'll go places. I can remember one time in DFW, you know, when during a snowstorm, ice storm. I was driving on cobble, cobble, cobblestone ice, they called it. Over, you know, overpasses. Like I should have been inside. I should have not been working that day, but company didn't care. They're like, hey, get out, make those, make those quotas. And I remember I stopped by one place in Fort Worth and the guy's like, I don't really need your product, but I respect that you're out here working. I was like, thank you sir. Would you like to buy two of these trinkets? Hey, discount. But yeah, it's out there. Uh so, also I enjoyed when, when Kim first meets Edward. She's in her room and she's just gotten in, she's starting to undress. And Edward's there, kinda creepy mode. He's being quiet. He's kind of, he's kind of freaked out the first time as well. He's seeing a real teenage girl before. And he already is enamored with her. And then the way they work the mirror where she's sees his reflection in there. And then she screams and he freaks. And he's trying to get out of the bed and he's poking the bed. Water and her bed is all flying out. It's like, that's pretty hilarious. That was great. There's the chaos out in she's. He's just walking with his hands down, trying to leave. And the dad goes and grabs him, takes him and breaks it. It's all that chaos in the hallway. That, the way they shot, the way he shot that is pretty, pretty nice. Um, the women, when they're like, oh, like he's the new pet that everybody's coming to, like, hey, try my food, try my dish. And they're like feeding him all this food. I'm like, man, this dude's really eating this stuff. This is disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, and again, it's always Jill, leading these things. She's always at the forefront of all this. She's the one that leads them to the door. When they said, you know, you wouldn't hide that stranger in there, I'll tell yourself. She's also, when they have the, the, the, she's the first one to put food in his mouth. Yeah. When they're cutting the dog's hair, she's the, she's the front of the line. She's the one having her dog's hair cut. Then she's the first one to get her hair cut. True. By him. She's always leading. Then she's leading them into the home. Well, I wanna know, I wanna know what, what's happening. She's always right there. Lust. Just in the mix. Oh, yeah. I also have when she makes her move on, Mr. Scissorhands. On, on Edward. Oh. Like, she's just, you know it's coming. Yeah. You know that she's gonna find some way to get this guy by himself. And, you know, it's right there in the shop. I'm like, she's shameless. But she sets the mood. And then again, he's, he's so like partially innocent. He kinda knows, but, yeah. He's like, you want me to model these smocks for you? And as a kid, I was like, what's a smock? I didn't, I didn't quite get that at the time. Now, now I know. Now I know. I know now. There's a lot of smocking going on around here. But you know, he's there in the chair. And the fact that when she's kinda seducing his, his, his, his finger hands are just like, constantly moving. I'm like, uh, that's pretty funny to me. I like, uh, this is one of my last ones. And I'm not sure there's a couple more that are memorable. Um, when it gets, when he's on TV and they're, you know, it's a, it's just random talk show. And everybody's watching it. And keep in mind, you know, this is VHS. The only way you can like rewatch something. You don't have YouTube or anything like that. You actually, you have to be there present or record it to a VCR or something like that. No on demand. Nothing. And so, um, on this show, Edward Scissorhands, uh, when he, when the host asked him like, you know, do you have a, you know, girl or do you have a special lady?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Yes, she's the first one to put food in his mouth. Yeah. When they're cutting the dog's hair, she's the, she's the front of the line. She's the one having her dog's hair cut. Then she's the first one to get her hair cut. True. By him. She's always leading. Then she's leading them into the home. Well, I wanna know, I wanna know what, what's happening. She's always right there. Lust. Just in the mix. Oh, yeah. I also have when she makes her move on, Mr. Scissorhands. On, on Edward. Oh. Like, she's just, you know it's coming. Yeah. You know that she's gonna find some way to get this guy by himself. And, you know, it's right there in the shop. I'm like, she's shameless. But she sets the mood. And then again, he's, he's so like partially innocent. He kinda knows, but, yeah. He's like, you want me to model these smocks for you? And as a kid, I was like, what's a smock? I didn't, I didn't quite get that at the time. Now, now I know. Now I know. I know now. There's a lot of smocking going on around here. But you know, he's there in the chair. And the fact that when she's kinda seducing his, his, his, his finger hands are just like, constantly moving. I'm like, uh, that's pretty funny to me. I like, uh, this is one of my last ones. And I'm not sure there's a couple more that are memorable. Um, when it gets, when he's on TV and they're, you know, it's a, it's just random talk show. And everybody's watching it. And keep in mind, you know, this is VHS. The only way you can like rewatch something. You don't have YouTube or anything like that. You actually, you have to be there present or record it to a VCR or something like that. No on demand. Nothing. And so, um, on this show, Edward Scissorhands, uh, when he, when the host asked him like, you know, do you have a, you know, girl or do you have a special lady?
Reginald Titus Jr.: You know now. I know now. Now I know. Now. You know now. I know now. Now I know. Now. Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Special lady.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And then he goes to talk. And then it's like all this suspense and then he grabs the mic and gets electrocuted by the cord. And then it's just the way he tips back, man. It's like, that's great. And the boyfriend is just cracking up laughing. It's like, oh, man, like this dude is his big moment. And he's just, he's awkward. Just awkward. So I also have one when the town is kinda turning against him and he's he's getting away and he's sitting on the curb and the dog, the shaggy dog comes up next to him. He kinda just looks at the dog and just casually just snip, just trims the bangs off the dog. So now that you can see the dog's eyes. It's just real sweet. Like even he's, this is like what he's meant to do. Like he usually fixes things, makes things better by cutting them. Snip. And it just, you know, that's like I don't know, that's cute. And the dog kinda just looks, looks at him, like almost like, like to lick him and then just trots off. And it's just kinda endearing. I wanna have many takes that took. Good question. Uh, do you have any more favorite scenes before? Just one more when, uh, when Eddie kills the boyfriend. That guy's a great A jerk. Oh, man, that is. And he just like poked it was funny because it was just like a poke. Poke to the chest. A deadly poke to the chest. I was like, oh, Like, it's gonna leave a mark. This dude could have died this whole time. Like, you, you really wanna mess with me, I'll show you, son. Cuz usually, like, we're used to watching these new movies where there's this big buildup to the, you know, the villain and the main guy, you know, protagonist fighting. A poke to the chest. This guy's done. Human flesh. Sucker. Like, you got no defense. Like, you come up on this guy and you mistook his meekness for weakness. Yes. Your butt. Hate. He just, like, treat you like a keyhole and just slide this in. And that guy's like, good, do nothing. And then just walked to the window and just walked him to the window. Get the hell out of my house. Hell. You can take the window or you can take the steps. And that guy's done. That's it. I'm like, I don't feel the least bit bad. Cuz that guy was terrible, man. Well, I think the was uh, like all his loss moment when he backhands Winona Ryder. Kicks her over. You know. And this is this is his girlfriend. Yeah. And but he was, I mean, already grabby and like holding her and like pulling her away and just yeah. That's bad judgment on her part for even being with that guy. He was a grade A jerk. But he was also for whatever reason kinda, he was, you know, jealous of, of Edward and just, he was just a bad guy. Even his two his friends. Like they're drunk and his friends were saying, I feel like I'm gonna pass out. He's like, well, you do it later. He's like, later. Drive me over to her place. He's like, I don't wanna do it. Do it. Like, why are you, why are you listening to this guy? Yeah, but they're scared of him. But drive. He's always somebody. And they almost run a brother over. So yeah, I'm, I'm glad they got him. Got him. Tropes. And I'm gonna be quick on mine. Gotcha. All right. So, um, the grandparents or the elderly person telling the story to their grandchild at the very beginning. Ah. Just kinda like, just kinda like the Princess Bride. That is true. Oh, yeah. The story within the story. That's exactly it. Um, the angry white boyfriend who convinces people to commit crimes. Kind of like Stranger Things. Yes. Yes. I have a trope of the director, actor, composer combination through multiple films. You know, this is obviously Tim Burton, the actor Johnny Depp, and the composer Danny Elfman. Yeah. This was the start of their collaboration trio. True. Um, the Lynch Mob, you know, that's a trope. Gossip Housewives. The oblivious father, which we talked, you talked about earlier. Checked out. I have the kinda the stereotypical, the way they make the, the characters in this case the, the women housewives, all a little bit different. But distinguished. You got the heavy set person. You have the promiscuous person. You have the kinda mean slash plain-looking person. You have the the religious person. So all of them kinda hitting these different tropes of characterization of, um, prototypes or archetypes, there we go. Archetypes. Right. That's all I have for tropes. All right, I have also the small town, got you said the mob. The small town turns on the outsider and accuses him of a crime or damaging or corrupting their town. Ah. That's it for tropes. I got a couple quotes. All right. There was a scene where everybody's getting to meet Edward Scissorhands. And this guy comes in, he's like, hey, I'm Joey. I'm I'm I'm Joe Monroe and he goes to shake his hand and he's like, oh wait, hey, hey. Heck of a, heck of a handshake you got there. Heck of a handshake you got there. I was like, that was great. This guy's and he's kinda like the leader of the guy. He's like, hey, we do this, we put, you know, we're bowling, we're doing this. So he's kinda like the peg version. I wonder if they were married. But anywho. Yeah, he would have, he would have not been bowling anymore. That would have been the you're right. Completely that transaction. Um, I have uh oh, so when, when Peg initially is doing her rounds of Avon calling and she's talking with the one girl who's painting her toenails. And she's trying to, she's trying to close the deal. Yeah. And then goes, she says, you don't actually think I have any money, do you? Yeah. And then also we just cut to her back at her car. Leave. If there ain't no money, you leave. Um, this is kinda like not politically correct to say but it was the, um, the boyfriend, the mean boyfriend, and he's kinda talking to Winona Ryder about Edward. And he was like, my old man thinks he's retarded. Otherwise he'd be in jail. Yeah, it's like, man, the words that they kinda He says. Yes, it is. Uh, when Peg is checking her answering machine and she's like, rewinding it back. And she's like, they filled the whole tape. It's like, all the women just calling, calling, calling. If you grew up in the 80s and you had an answering machine, if your whole tape to be filled, that's a lot of messages. That is. That's ridiculous. Yes, sir. Uh, that's all I have for quotes. I got, I'll burn through a few more. Uh, so after Edward cuts Joyce's hair, you know, she makes it more sensual than it, than it should be. But she says, that was the most thrilling experience of my whole life. And then we cut to her toes curling. Oh. Yeah. Um, okay, and the boyfriend, after Edward touched the microphone, gets shocked and flies back on TV. He says, I wish I'd been taping that. So I had to get my left nut to see that again. That's when I realized that it was the guy from Weird Science. Cuz just like how he talks, he like, I don't know, he has a little bit of a list or something like that, but it's very specific. And I was like, hey, that's my old buddy from Weird Science. He gets kinda breathy sometimes. Yeah. I'll give my left nut. I don't know what that seems like there was a scene like that in Weird Science. I just, it's not coming to me. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's the cadence how he speaks. In that moment, cuz he kinda lets his guard down a little bit more. He's not so much, hey, do this, do that. He's kinda just, kinda just being funny. Yeah, being funny and kinda breathing out. And that's that's where it comes through. Uh, one or two more. Um, so the police officer. The one black character in the movie. Boom. But he's an authority figure. So, okay. Cool. Cool. Not not a stereotype. Yeah. He says, he, he tells Edward. He shows compassion, which is nice. He says, listen, you can keep me up all night worrying about you. You take care of yourself out there. Yeah. I'm like, man, that's cool. What kind of movie is this? Hey, you know. Got the brother, you know, doing his police officer thing, but then just taking a moment, he sees that this guy is, is different enough. Maybe he understands different being different. Yes. Message. But just, you know, he's kinda like, hey, man, you be careful out there. And then lastly I have, um, uh, no, that's it, that that was it. I know you had a section called questions. Ah, yes. I've got two of them. Okay. Something new, ladies and gentlemen. But I got questions. Okay. One of them is I have one too. Ah, okay. Maybe it's the same one. All right. But you go, this is your segment. My say question. Yeah. As Edward gets set to make the, the, the lovely ice sculpt. Yes. Where did this ice come from? We had the same question. We didn't, we didn't even compare notes. Like, I was like, where did this ice come from? Especially at the end when he's in his castle, or he's in the home. Right. Where's all this ice coming from? Who's delivering it? I'm like. Who's paying for it? Like, is it free? Is this crack? What is this? I'm like, yeah, but, like, I don't know, people sending their dogs. Send me still like, cut, cut, like, dog hair on the side. Who's delivering this ice? And how are they getting it up all those damn steps? Yeah. So that's my first question. My second question is, now that he's isolated in this home, like, what is he eating? How is he, how was he sustaining himself in the first place? Yeah. Cuz we didn't initially see him eat anything, did we? Oh, yeah, we did. When they fed him the, you know, the treats at the place. But does he even really need food to survive? He is, again, he was like, the official story is that he was made out of the heart of a cookie. Like, that's his like, his start, is a cookie heart. You can get away with anything. Like, if this is, what is they say? They say it's fantasy. This is what it, yeah. Yeah, you have a lot of liberation. Oh, here's another one. How's he used the bathroom? I don't know. He's got the Michael Jackson outfit on. He's got, he's got. He's kinda got a crow vibe. Kinda. He does. Again, the bathroom name, though. Like, really? Cuz he can't, I mean, yeah. Pull down the, the outfit. So, here's the thing. Does he even have the parts? Probably not. Maybe that's why he doesn't eat. That's why he walked up out of, uh, Mrs., uh, what's her name? I ain't do nothing here. I ain't do nothing here. I ain't do nothing here. I ain't do nothing here. Like, I mean, that ain't too well. Oh, man. So, anyway, questions. Questions. What were they trying to steal out of, uh, the boyfriend's father's house? Anything of value. Doesn't he live there? Yeah, but he said his parents, like, they keep everything locked up. Like he said his dad doesn't even want to give him money to to buy a car. Like, they're okay. They're very, I don't know, type-lipped, conservative, whatever. But he said his parents aren't sure of the laws of the Wazoo. So, he just wanted to make it look like a crime. Sell the stuff and then they would then, you know, get reimbursed by insurance money. He was like the crime, him explain it, it just sounded so dumb. And then, I'm like, got to be another way. No, this is it. I've been really racking my brain about this. I'm like, uh, yeah. What, nothing in that room but some speakers. For real. Surround sound speakers. Yeah, you don't even believe him. He assumed there was something of value there and it really was nothing. But it was enough where there was like security stuff going off. Right. It's like, there had to be something there. Maybe there's a safe. I don't know, I mean, how would Edward get into the safe? He can't crack a safe. He can't turn a dial. Dude couldn't even turn a handle on a door. He was out of there. He was out of there. But I guess that's that's where they would have come into play. But yeah, it just went terribly wrong. Trivia. I'll go quick here. Sir. This story has always been floating around the director's head since he was a little kid. That's right. This film was shot in Florida. They rented 50 houses. They painted them all and then they repainted them. That's what I said. Uh, so the little kid brother, uh, that was the brother to Winona Ryder's, yeah, Winona Ryder's character. Um, he was in Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. He was a little kid and he was, uh, the little kid that wanted to be just like the father. I was trying to figure out where else I saw him. Good good call, good call. Uh, Johnny Depp had an air-conditioned suit. Um, the food he ate made him throw up. And also when he was running, he threw up again. Exactly. He did 20 takes of that food being stuffed in his mouth. Leading to the leading to the barfing. Um, Edward Scissorhands had two themes, according to Danny Elfman. Just as far as I got in his commentary. There's two themes for that play for Edward Scissorhands. Oh, okay. That's it for trivia. Now it's time for Filmmaker Tips. I got one. Give your actor props early on, that way they can kinda, uh, imagine how it is to be that character. So, uh, Tim Burton gave the prosthetics of the scissors to Johnny Depp early on so he can kinda like fiddle around with them and kinda see how it is to be a person that has hands, has scissors for hands. And an example I use was, uh, Jamie Foxx in the movie Ray, which we covered in episode 48. Uh, he used prosthetics, uh, Jamie Foxx, he put prosthetics to kind of feel how it would be to be in the world as a person that couldn't see. Exactly, exactly. And and Johnny Depp said in an interview that having those hands, it was, he really felt like he was disabled because you have to rely on people so much to, to feed you, to give you drinks, to, you know, dress and undress you. You have to really rely on other people. Uh, another bit of trivia is that in Florida, shooting in Florida, the, it's almost like for each scene, it's almost like kinda resetting where the sun's going to be because of the clouds move so much. It's gonna change your lighting situation pretty substantially. Wow. So be aware. Be aware. And, um, is that it for from Maker tips? Uh, two more. Uh, Winona and Johnny both, both are good at speaking through their eyes. Mm-hmm. So when you work with actors, again, those eyes are, you know, not only the mirrors to the soul, but in film. Yeah. Play such a an important role. And when you look at those actors, again, particularly with Winona, like she's got those pretty big eyes. And, uh, yeah. Uh, Tim Burton, out of all the animals that he works with, he says he's seen, he believes that dogs seem to really want to, like they actually enjoy acting. Mm-hmm. They wanna please. They'll do, yeah, do the multiple takes cuz he worked with quite a few in, in Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Interesting. Guess you just got to have the right breed. Well, the right trainers. Yeah. Cuz I know sometimes with those dogs that are that are playing vicious scenes sometimes they kind of get out of hand. Like tapping into their inner dog. Uh, what, what are we gonna be watching next time?
Casey G. Smith.: I was trying to figure out where else I saw him. Good good call, good call. Uh, Johnny Depp had an air-conditioned suit. Um, the food he ate made him throw up. And also when he was running, he threw up again. Exactly. He did 20 takes of that food being stuffed in his mouth. Leading to the leading to the barfing. Um, Edward Scissorhands had two themes, according to Danny Elfman. Just as far as I got in his commentary. There's two themes for that play for Edward Scissorhands. Oh, okay. That's it for trivia. Now it's time for Filmmaker Tips. I got one. Give your actor props early on, that way they can kinda, uh, imagine how it is to be that character. So, uh, Tim Burton gave the prosthetics of the scissors to Johnny Depp early on so he can kinda like fiddle around with them and kinda see how it is to be a person that has hands, has scissors for hands. And an example I use was, uh, Jamie Foxx in the movie Ray, which we covered in episode 48. Uh, he used prosthetics, uh, Jamie Foxx, he put prosthetics to kind of feel how it would be to be in the world as a person that couldn't see. Exactly, exactly. And and Johnny Depp said in an interview that having those hands, it was, he really felt like he was disabled because you have to rely on people so much to, to feed you, to give you drinks, to, you know, dress and undress you. You have to really rely on other people. Uh, another bit of trivia is that in Florida, shooting in Florida, the, it's almost like for each scene, it's almost like kinda resetting where the sun's going to be because of the clouds move so much. It's gonna change your lighting situation pretty substantially. Wow. So be aware. Be aware. And, um, is that it for from Maker tips? Uh, two more. Uh, Winona and Johnny both, both are good at speaking through their eyes. Mm-hmm. So when you work with actors, again, those eyes are, you know, not only the mirrors to the soul, but in film. Yeah. Play such a an important role. And when you look at those actors, again, particularly with Winona, like she's got those pretty big eyes. And, uh, yeah. Uh, Tim Burton, out of all the animals that he works with, he says he's seen, he believes that dogs seem to really want to, like they actually enjoy acting. Mm-hmm. They wanna please. They'll do, yeah, do the multiple takes cuz he worked with quite a few in, in Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Interesting. Guess you just got to have the right breed. Well, the right trainers. Yeah. Cuz I know sometimes with those dogs that are that are playing vicious scenes sometimes they kind of get out of hand. Like tapping into their inner dog. Uh, what, what are we gonna be watching next time?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Hmm. Mhm. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. They wanna please. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Interesting. Oh, okay. That's it for trivia. Now it's time for Filmmaker Tips. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Interesting. Oh, okay. That's it for trivia. Now it's time for Filmmaker Tips. Yes, sir. I got one. Give your actor props early on, that way they can kinda, uh, imagine how it is to be that character. So, uh, Tim Burton gave the prosthetics of the scissors to Johnny Depp early on so he can kinda like fiddle around with them and kinda see how it is to be a person that has hands, has scissors for hands. And an example I use was, uh, Jamie Foxx in the movie Ray, which we covered in episode 48. Uh, he used prosthetics, uh, Jamie Foxx, he put prosthetics to kind of feel how it would be to be in the world as a person that couldn't see. Exactly, exactly. And and Johnny Depp said in an interview that having those hands, it was, he really felt like he was disabled because you have to rely on people so much to, to feed you, to give you drinks, to, you know, dress and undress you. You have to really rely on other people. Uh, another bit of trivia is that in Florida, shooting in Florida, the, it's almost like for each scene, it's almost like kinda resetting where the sun's going to be because of the clouds move so much. It's gonna change your lighting situation pretty substantially. Wow. So be aware. Be aware. And, um, is that it for from Maker tips? Uh, two more. Uh, Winona and Johnny both, both are good at speaking through their eyes. Mm-hmm. So when you work with actors, again, those eyes are, you know, not only the mirrors to the soul, but in film. Yeah. Play such a an important role. And when you look at those actors, again, particularly with Winona, like she's got those pretty big eyes. And, uh, yeah. Uh, Tim Burton, out of all the animals that he works with, he says he's seen, he believes that dogs seem to really want to, like they actually enjoy acting. Mm-hmm. They wanna please. They'll do, yeah, do the multiple takes cuz he worked with quite a few in, in Pee-wee's Big Adventure. Interesting. Guess you just got to have the right breed. Well, the right trainers. Yeah. Cuz I know sometimes with those dogs that are that are playing vicious scenes sometimes they kind of get out of hand. Like tapping into their inner dog. Uh, what, what are we gonna be watching next time?
Casey G. Smith.: Next time, we're gonna dive into the world of the Wild West as we visit Tombstone.

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