Happy 4th of July! FMC 136: Rounders Directed by John Dahl

Full Episode Transcript
In this episode, Reginald Titus Jr. and Casey G. Smith discuss the 1998 poker drama "Rounders," directed by John Dahl, alongside reviews of current releases like "Minions: The Rise of Gru" and "Stranger Things," plus a deep dive into "The Boys" series.

Opening Discussion & Box Office
Reginald Titus Jr.: Filmmaker Commentary episode 136. Welcome to Filmmaker Commentary, where we give you insights from our favorite filmmaking commentaries. These commentaries can be heard on your DVD and Blu-rays of your favorite movies. We'll show you how you can use these commentaries and apply them to improve your video production and filmmaking techniques. All of this here on Filmmaker Commentary. I'm your host, Reginald Titus Jr.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yo, yo, welcome to another episode of Filmmaker Commentary. I'm Reginald Titus Jr. I'm joined with Casey G. Smith.
Casey G. Smith: Casey G. Smith.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Welcome back, sir.
Casey G. Smith.: Good to be back, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And today we're talking about Rounders, 1998, directed by John Dahl.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, and today's, well, this is a 4th of July edition. Happy 4th of July!
Casey G. Smith: Happy 4th of July!
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes. Hopefully you're barbecuing and eating well.
Casey G. Smith: Which might be an oxymoron, depending on what you're grilling.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Right? Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: Hey.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Hey! We hope you're well, nonetheless. Enjoying family and friends or whatever it is you enjoy.
Casey G. Smith: Yes, indeed.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, this Rounders film, what was the box office on this movie?
Casey G. Smith: All right, on a budget of $12 million, the worldwide box office back in '98 came out to $23 million.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yikes.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, a little bit of yikes there.
Reginald Titus Jr.: This kind of reminds me of The Crow a little bit, you know, how it's like, what?
Casey G. Smith: I think I heard them in the commentary mention that it opened up against Rush Hour or something like that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, man. You do not want to come to the box office with your drama about cards, with Chris Rock, I mean Chris Tucker is on fire! And Jackie Chan on fire!
Casey G. Smith: Landed to the slaughter. He basically karate kicked this film in the throat, and it did not recover.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Call it, call it!
Casey G. Smith: Ring the bell.
Reginald Titus Jr.: There's nothing like, if you just compare the films, there's just nothing, well, it's just it's got some colorful characters in Rounders.
Casey G. Smith: It's a very different energy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Very different energy. You got, you know, you got an Asian guy from China, you know, on the cover.
Casey G. Smith: One of the biggest action stars in the world.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Jackie Chan. Right? And then you got, you know, Chris Tucker fresh off of the movie Friday.
Casey G. Smith: Friday and Dead Presidents.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's right. Yeah, getting his drama chops on.
Casey G. Smith: Yes, sir. And, and Def Comedy Jam. I remember seeing Tucker on Def Comedy Jam, like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's right. Probably how he got him the Friday gig. Yeah. And this guy's pretty funny.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, he was, man.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And, I mean, on, these guys are on fire.
Casey G. Smith: That shows you how we've started the show. We're less than five minutes in. We're talking about another movie at length here.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Sorry about that.
Casey G. Smith: So, needless to say, the box office wasn't great for Rounders.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And there's there's solid reasons why.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wow. Not their fault.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, I think it was a timing thing. Yeah. Timing is pretty important in this in this business.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, did this film, uh, I think it got an award at the Southeastern Film Critics Association Award of 1999. It won for Best Actor in Edward Norton.
Casey G. Smith: Indeed.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wait a second. This says for American History X.
Casey G. Smith: Oh! IMDB typo.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Fumble! Misplaced. Oh, that's that's that's a burn.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Rounders. Sorry about that. You dealt a bad hand.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And then at the Venice Film Festival of 1998, nominee, uh, John Dahl.
Casey G. Smith: The Golden Lion Award.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mhm. That is messed up with the History X thing.
Casey G. Smith: We do pull quite a bit of our information off IMDB. So, apologies for I will not I will not apologize for somebody that, no, I'm just kidding.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Sorry about that. Sorry about that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Holy smokes! Like, I was like, ah. And then I see, oh, another film. Even them they're raving about another film.
Casey G. Smith: Wow.
Casey G. Smith: Sorry, Rounders. Dang.
Reginald Titus Jr.: But wow, any, um, yeah, I I don't think there's anything left to say. Let's talk about TV movies.
Casey G. Smith: Well, this is going to be a short episode. News Watched.

News & Watched
Reginald Titus Jr.: All right, in uh, news and movies watched. Uh, according to Deadline, Minions: The Rise of Gru broke a box office record for the 4th of July weekend, coming in at $127 million at the box office.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: Pretty amazing. Beating one of the previous Transformers films, and also surpassing its its uh, previous uh, introduction to the franchise that I think came in at 116. Uh, so yeah, kudos to that. I mean, seem like films are back. If movies are coming out in the summer breaking records box office-wise, hey.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Hey, that's a good sign.
Casey G. Smith: Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, I don't know if this is news news, but since we're on the 4th of July weekend, Stranger Stranger Things part one two just dropped.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: For season part four. And uh, it actually crashed Netflix for a little while.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wow.
Casey G. Smith: So people couldn't log in for, it took a long time. Got that from the John Campea show when they were talking about it, how some people couldn't even log in for like 20 minutes or so.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Huh?
Casey G. Smith: As soon as it dropped. Yeah, they couldn't get in.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wow.
Casey G. Smith: So it's I guess it's happened to all the big platforms. Disney and I can't remember what the other platform was. HBO during the Game of Thrones thing. But uh, yeah, hey. When the whole world when and they and Netflix built up like that, you know, built it up because I thought the whole thing was binge watch. You like you can just watch it all at once. I didn't know they were holding out the last two episodes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: The last half of it. Yeah, I had no idea.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And those last those last two episodes are like two hours each.
Casey G. Smith: Well, I'm off tomorrow. I shall, I'm glad I waited.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes.
Casey G. Smith: Perfect time to dive in.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, indeed. Uh, what have you been watching?
Casey G. Smith: I have been watching my normals, right? I'm, you know, working through my Hill Street Blues, only a few episodes left in that last season. Star Trek Strange New Worlds, which is still a wonderful show. Uh, oh, I gotta take Obi-Wan off there. Uh, Physical Season 2, still working through that. The Boys Season 3, you caught up yet?
Reginald Titus Jr.: I am caught up. Haha. So, let's talk about The Boys.
Casey G. Smith: Let's talk about it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, I had to watch, I don't think I had watched the recent episode the last time we recorded.
Casey G. Smith: Correct.
Reginald Titus Jr.: But now I caught up with that one.
Casey G. Smith: HeroGasm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's a mess. And I got and uh, the other one, Here Comes a Candle to Light You to Bed. That's the other episode.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, thoughts, HeroGasm.
Casey G. Smith: Look, I knew it was going to be ratchet going into it. And it's like, where's one thing I want to say, the marketing department for Amazon and and The Boys is I don't know if you follow any of their social media feeds, but they literally have a Vought Industries uh, uh Instagram handle.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I love it.
Casey G. Smith: And they'll post stuff like it's, you know, them speaking on different things that are happening in the show. Like, I think when Starlight made her comments at the end of the the HeroGasm episode, then like Vought like had a statement like discrediting her or whatever.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I love it.
Casey G. Smith: It is it's pretty, it's pretty cool. Yeah, very, very cool. So, it's a lot of fun. Plus you see other character characters sometimes will pop up on Vought's feed like The Deep or whatever.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I have to subscribe now.
Casey G. Smith: Yes, you do. I gotta check.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Hey.
Casey G. Smith: And to give an idea of what that episode is about, here's a quick little synopsis on that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: You're invited to.
Casey G. Smith: Spoiler alert.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes. Well, maybe.
Casey G. Smith: For The Boys. Uh, yeah, for sure. You're invited to the 7th Annual HeroGasm. You must present this invitation in order to be admitted. Same rules as always: No cameras, no non-Supe guests unless they sign an NDA and they're DTF. And no telling any news media. It's BYOD, but food, alcohol and lube will be provided. And please remember to RSVP so we can get an accurate head count for the caterer.
Casey G. Smith: Whoa!
Casey G. Smith: So, I'm sure many of you know The Boys is based on a an actual comic book series that that came out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mhm.
Casey G. Smith: In the in the 2000s, written by uh Garth Ennis, who's got a a mind like no other in the in the realm of uh fantasy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mhm.
Casey G. Smith: And HeroGasm was a spin-off of of The Boys.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: And it was in the in the comics, it's like, it's like a multiple part like series, like multiple issues. But the premise is that the heroes make like, oh, there's like, there's an asteroid, there's something headed to Earth supposedly that they have to go and stop it. So all the teams have to come together to go and fight this thing, but really they all go off to this island for this huge orgy. Basically, but that's their excuse. So it it's it's funny because it's metered to the comic book world, but obviously here they they make it, you know, The Boys are the almost the only team that are, I mean, the Seven are really one of the only teams out there. But they're not really involved in this. It's all just like all the other heroes with the exception of a few, obviously The Deep. You know, The Deep's obviously there.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, 100% in this episode.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, indeed. But uh, but yeah, it was fun to see how they how they they're going to bring this one to light.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's It was Starlight that catches him. Is that her name Starlight?
Casey G. Smith: Yep.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So yeah, so The Deep is going in deep on this octopus. And Starlight like walks in, you know, catches him. She's like, what the drops the bomb and it's like, it's hilarious the way they act.
Casey G. Smith: They've they've been building up to they've been building up to this for for quite quite some time. And it's like, yeah, that was that was not a not a huge surprise. Yeah. But yeah, it is. I mean, everybody know this is this is not a kid show by any means, but this but this one they they were they were giving funny disclaimers leading up to it. Like there was there was a there was one with Soldier Boy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh-huh.
Casey G. Smith: No, actually it was Jensen Ackles himself actually on on his on the feed, whatever he was like. So you know, episode, you know, the HeroGasm is coming up this week. He's like, good luck. You know, like just hope you survive it. Like they they've and even they even the disclaimer they show at the beginning of the episode. They're like, yo, this is you know, it's wild, it's crazy and a lot of uh expensive CGI. So,
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's great. And then the episode that follows that is here comes a candle to light you to bed. Everything is changing is I never expected for everything is changing is never expected for The Homelander. Soldier Boy is searching for the for other old Payback members to slay. Black Noir recollects what has really got him into the current situation.
Casey G. Smith: Does recollect. It's I I thought that was the interesting part of the of the episode, just seeing how just batshit crazy Black Noir is. Like he's he sees these animated characters talking to him, talking him through. But you know, I but seeing how literally brain damaged he is, like how he's got literally a piece of his head missing from that that incident. But then seeing that it wasn't like this attack, that it was actually Soldier Boy that did it to him. Like,
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. I'm like, oh, like just crack his skull up and put that shield. I was like, ooh.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, it's uh, it's a little rough.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's bad. Like this dude, I mean, they're all crazy.
Casey G. Smith: Nuts.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Because I it makes me think about the how they become supers, you know, is it the that formula that's literally making them go crazy? Because you think about The Homelander, he's talking to the mirror of himself and he has like a split personality with him.
Casey G. Smith: But he's but now we know he's also the son of, he's from the actual genetic material of Soldier Boy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: There you go.
Casey G. Smith: Who's yeah, already out there. Um, but they said they said it just that that compound V just makes you more of who you are. And this guy's a jerk, you know, in real life and so his seed raised in an in an artificial environment and raised to be like the the hero as a guy he has, you know, he has a God complex but he's also extremely insecure in in having one of the father in his in his life. So,
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, it's uh it the plot thickened. It's like, I did not see that coming. I'm like,
Reginald Titus Jr.: Huh?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Uh, AD, one of our guys, uh friend of the show and friend in general. Indeed. He texted me today. He was like, I finally started The Boys today. I said, oh boy. He's seven episodes in. I said, it gets every season it's going to get more and more ratchet every time.
Casey G. Smith: Welcome to the dark side. Yeah. He was like, what?
Reginald Titus Jr.: But yeah, I hope you survive the experience.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, but I did get a chance to finish Diabolical. The Boys presents Diabolical.
Casey G. Smith: Haha.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, the episodes we watched were it's the one where there's this girl acts is trying to buy drugs and accidentally gets a vial of the Compound V, takes it and then she takes it to her mom. And her superpower is she controls turds.
Casey G. Smith: Oh, yeah. She That's her super. That was that was gross. Ah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, that was yeah, that was nuts. Goodness. I mean, it goes.
Casey G. Smith: Whole another meaning to talking ish.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, I wish I had a And then of course, the one uh Nubian versus Nubian, which is
Casey G. Smith: That was pretty funny.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That was a good um, what's the actor's name? What's her brother's name? Um,
Casey G. Smith: Michael B. Jordan?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Nope. Iron Man 2.
Casey G. Smith: Don Cheadle?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes. He was the he was one of the actor voice actors in that one. Comes through pretty, pretty solid. Yeah, I enjoyed that one. Uh, which basically too, it feels like uh Wakanda and uh, what's her name? Storm.
Casey G. Smith: Oh, like Black Panther and Storm? Yeah, coming together.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Huh? Yeah. Um, I don't even know how to explain that episode. Um,
Casey G. Smith: It's a love-hate relationship, like this these two heroes who who come together initially and it's like a whirlwind romance. They they eventually get hitched, but then years later, they've got a kid and like they're just always arguing with each other. And they and the little girl sees it and so she she's that the only time that they really are affectionate to each other is when they're when they're fighting bad guys. And they're using the superpowers against other bad guys. Then they get all hot for each other. So she engineers a situation with their neighbor who's like a former bad guy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Which brought them together first time. Which we discover is really just a fabricated story anyway.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm. So, yeah, it's a it's an interesting uh tale.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It is. That one. Well told, Smith. Uh, and then there was another one, John and Sun-Hee, which his wife is diagnosed with cancer and then he goes to get Compound V to kind of help her out. And basically the cancer becomes this monstrosity that's killing everybody.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, a little bit more dramatic.
Casey G. Smith: Yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It was kind of a sweet story. And then the last one is uh Homelander and how he we see him, how he kind of gets into that super hero.
Casey G. Smith: To the team. Yeah. And how Black Noir helps him out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, he's like covering for him as he's like destroying people he's trying to save, but ends up killing them.

Film Analysis - Rounders
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Reginald Titus Jr.: Thank you for tuning in to Filmmaker Commentary. We're talking about Rounders, 1998, by John Dahl, directed.
Casey G. Smith: Known for Rounders.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Sorry about that, John Dahl, but you know, hey, you gotta stick to one thing. I'm just kidding.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, here is a quick synopsis and I'm reading it off the Blu-ray. After suffering a huge setback in a high stake poker game, Mike McDermott promises to lay down his cards for good. But when his buddy gets in over his head with a ruthless underground club owner, Mike's loyalty draws him back into the game. Rounders.
Casey G. Smith: You just like saying that name.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It reminds me of like uh in the nineties Swingers, remember the movie Swingers that came out?
Casey G. Smith: That was one of the many trailers in front of this Blu-ray. Another another nine trailer skip, skip, skip, skip.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And they trap you too. You can't just go to the menu, you have to hit fast forward.
Casey G. Smith: I'm on my PlayStation hitting square, square. No, that'll take you right to the menu. I'm like, square, square. I'm like, no, I gotta I gotta time this out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Trapped.
Casey G. Smith: Trapped.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mary Max is like, got 'em again. Right?
Casey G. Smith: While we have you captive.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, indeed, man. Um, how did you watch this film? Was this your first time watching this film?
Casey G. Smith: First time viewer of Rounders. I I'd heard the name before, but I've never really had a huge interest in in poker animation, kind of poker films whatever. But yeah, I had no I I didn't know who was in it. I knew nothing about Rounders. So, this is my first time watching, but you you you recommended it and I was like, all right, cool, you know, it's on the it's on the docket. So we'll we'll see what's what. And in this starting off, it was a little slow for me. I was like, what's going on here?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Got the big band music playing.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. It felt it felt like Neo-Noirish with the with the voiceover coming. I'm like, hmm, interesting.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He was overlooking the city.
Casey G. Smith: Indeed. But, you know, it it it picked up. You got two quality actors in, you know, both uh Matt Damon and Edward Norton.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, for sure.
Casey G. Smith: And some quality uh, um supporting actors. John Turturro and and others.
Reginald Titus Jr.: John Malkovich. Oh yeah. Come on. John Malkovich. Who all actors look up to, right?
Casey G. Smith: Clearly. Yeah, with with with good reason. But yeah, it turned out pretty darn good.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ah, glad you liked it.
Casey G. Smith: Rounders.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Rounders. I don't even know if anybody uses that term. Um, for me, I watched this circa 2009. And uh well, first off, are you already familiar with poker and in regards like have you played it before or anything like that?
Casey G. Smith: No.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, I think I've I've been people tried to teach me before, but not to I've not taken to it. So like in my opinion, this film would be is a different experience if you don't know about poker. And so in 2009, I was working the night shift at a at a hotel as a night auditor. And who I consider a friend now, Michael Richards, uh, showed me how to play poker. And every night we were, he was like showing, hey, man, this is this is how you do this, this is how you do this. These are the movies you need to watch. Um, and at that time, this is like a a kind of like a weird little space in American history when it comes to poker because you could bet online. You can put your money up online to like Full Tilt, PokerStars, stuff like that and actually play virtual games and for real money online. Uh,
Casey G. Smith: Legal digital gambling.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, indeed. And you could and that was shut down. Uh, they call it Black Friday, April 11th or it could be 15th, 2000 either 15th or 11th in 2011. So it was like this little window of time where I was like in this little microcosm world. And so when they're dropping names like Phil Hellmuth and all and Chang and all these other people, I was like, yeah, I know I know yeah, I'm familiar with I'm quite familiar because also too, uh in America, you would have these shows that come on at night and they're showing you these guys, they're like superstars, dude. You got guys like Phil Ivey, who's literally like the Tiger Woods of like poker and like genius at this game. So when they talk about a guy that can like read the cards and kind of know the statistics, like all this was like playing at night. And the shift I was at was like 11:00 PM to 7:00 in the morning. So I have nothing but time to just digest all this stuff. Um, so that knowing that, my experience watching this film was a totally different situation. If if I if I watched that film at that time, knowing nothing about poker, I probably would have been bored.
Casey G. Smith: Well, I I think it's a credit to the filmmakers. They they mentioned in the commentary that they specifically make it very, I mean, like you're if you don't know anything about it, like you're you're going to not know things. Well some of the terminology that they use, like if you you won't know it, but that's going to keep a certain degree of authenticity. But they also they they could they they worked the drama very well where they don't always show you what everybody has in their hand. So the suspense builds. So it it still it still works with me knowing very little. Uh, I did I did I did have a a good friend of mine when we went to the uh to San Diego. He was big in to like Texas Hold'em.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: And we literally.
Reginald Titus Jr.: No limit, man, for sure.
Casey G. Smith: We got into town. I think we hadn't even checked into our hotel yet. And we we we went out and then we drove by a place that was like a like a casino. And it was whatever time at night. And again, I I I don't care anything about about gambling or or really really card games for for the most part. But, you know, we were like, all right, let's go inside this place. And so some of them are on slot machines. I'm like, nah, but he but he was looking for a Texas Hold'em table.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Got to. Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: And so, I'm like, oh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: The odds are in your favor if you know what you're doing.
Casey G. Smith: Sure. And so we ended up he gets into a game and he's he stays there like all night playing. And by then we've already gone back to the hotel. He said, I'll just get.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, he's a grinder.
Casey G. Smith: This isn't Vegas. Where's this at?
Reginald Titus Jr.: This is in San Diego. Oh, okay.
Casey G. Smith: He was like, I'll get you I'll get you a cab or an Uber back, you know, at the Uber was like, this is like '09. So Uber wasn't even a thing. He was going to catch a cab back to the hotel. So by the point he gets, when he gets back in, we've already gotten to the hotel, slept, woke up the next morning, done breakfast. We're laying out by the pool. It's like maybe 11:00 in the morning. And like he's like just getting in and, you know, just comes by the comes to the pool and like, you know, lays out, you know, just like, hey, you know, we're on vacation. But but yeah, he he was he was he was all about that. He was all about the uh the Texas Hold'em and he was he was in. He was locked in.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. What year is this?
Casey G. Smith: '09.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yes, man. I'm telling you, it was.
Casey G. Smith: So, yeah, that window.
Reginald Titus Jr.: There, man, it it was becoming like the next like superstar uh sport because uh kids could play virtually, you know, and and you could play differently when you're playing virtually because people don't get to read your face. So you can really just play a game just based on on mathematics. So if you're if you're good at math and you can know the probability of certain people's hands, you could be like, okay, I'm not going to bet on this one. I'm going to bet on this based on the strength of your hand.
Casey G. Smith: Sure.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And there was a TV show called Two Months to 2 Million. And it was literally like four or five guys, great at math. These guys probably were like 18, 19, 20, 22 years old. And like they're full time, they were playing virtual poker and all that. And like they were kind of just saying like, can we make $2 million in two months, you know, and they just got their bankroll and made it. I think it was like end up getting like 1.8 or something like that. But uh, yeah, it was it was a lot of interesting programming that was coming out at that time.
Casey G. Smith: Uh, yes. I I was just thinking I was just thinking earlier to what we when we looked at the box office for this and I'm like, thinking about, you know, the programming, I'm like, well, you know, I was uh I was watching Rush Hour. And I I mean, like, I didn't even heard it. I hadn't even heard of this film like then in the nineties. I didn't hear about this maybe until, I don't know. But it it was like, I mean, nowhere on my radar like at all.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Same. It wasn't on my radar at all. I only only when I became interested in the situation.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And I think the I think Swingers key R may look similar to this, now that I think about it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Excuse me. Oh, yeah. Uh, but yeah. Um, what did you like or not like about this movie?
Casey G. Smith: I like I like the cast.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes.
Casey G. Smith: I like the ending.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes.
Casey G. Smith: I was like, okay, all this builds up. I'm like, okay, this is a if this is your first time watching Filmmaker Commentary, please know that there will be spoilers. You've been forewarned. I do like the way the film ends. All all the build up and everything that happens. It comes back around. It's very apropos to have Mike there, you know, against uh against the Beast. Yeah. You know, and the way that plays out and and you know, you you get that that you get that tension that builds up and you're like, oh man, come on, you you got what you need. Get out! Get out! Run! Yes, indeed. K.G.B. What's his name? Timothy K.G.B. or something?
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, something Beast.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Terry. No, K.G.B. Yeah. And it's like, okay, but then, you know, he gets he gets goaded back in. You're like, oh man, come on, homie, come on, Mike. And and works it. I'm like, you know, it's it's like a sports movie in that way. Right?
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. And uh so that was yeah, that was very gratifying. The ending is very gratifying. My dislikes, I dislike the character of Worm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Worm. Oh. He's he's done his job.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, I'm like, you bastard. Kudos to Edward Norton. Like he he makes he makes that guy quite despicable. Quite despicable.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mhm.
Casey G. Smith: And then um, I dislike when the girlfriend goes through Mike's pockets.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ooh.
Casey G. Smith: While he's in the shower, she just goes in. Yeah, he lied to her. Okay, fine. I'm I'm not defending that. But to go through somebody's like pockets. Like that's like, I don't know.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Running through your pockets. How about that?
Casey G. Smith: How about that?
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's how she rolls. She can roll right out of here. Deuces. I'm running through your pockets.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, but no, I didn't I did not appreciate that.
Casey G. Smith: Man, they made her, man, she was one-dimensional for sure. She was like a like a somebody's mother basically, you know?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Initially when it opened up and he kissed her goodbye, I couldn't. I was like, is that his mother? Like, I I thought maybe she was like a mom. And then I saw her, I'm like, oh, okay, she looks young. She must, but that initial shot the way they shot her. I was like, he he taking money from his mom? Like just kind of because you know, money's in hidden places. I'm like, what's going on here?
Casey G. Smith: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Is she being robbed? I'm confused. For real. They weren't clear on that. Oh, this is his money that he won.
Casey G. Smith: But she was very, yeah, one note.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, that's unfortunate, man. She they could have made her more well rounded than that. Made her more likable because, I mean, there's enough unlikable characters in this movie.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I mean, you got a guy hitting dogs. I mean, that's like kind of like a no-no in movies.
Casey G. Smith: For real.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, my did like you, like John Malkovich, you know, how he portrayed the character. Uh, for me, like I was telling you, it was very nostalgic, um, watching it, even though it was, you know, ten something years ago. Right? Yeah, ten years. Wow. Time flies by.
Casey G. Smith: As it does.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, and uh, just the feeling of like winning a pot, you know, that feeling going to the WinStar and like, you know, getting in there and winning the pot, staring somebody down and then they're like, oh, you know, they will break you. Yeah, especially if they're new, you know, like how they kind of did in the film like if they're new. No, they've played cards with Reginald. I'm just kidding. And then uh, but yeah, just the feeling of, oh snap, you got a few hundred bucks right here. And you can and it's up to you. Like, hey, how am I feeling? I can just leave. I can walk. Or I can grind it out.
Casey G. Smith: Are you the type that will gamble out of your your winnings?
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, there's a whole strategy and it's called like bankroll management. So, once you've gotten your bankroll to a certain amount, um, there is like a ratio of like risk management, you don't want to risk this amount of your bankroll, so like maybe 10% of 10,000 or whatever. You know, and kind of just manage it that way. That's kind of how it was going. But then it all came to an end.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Then it all went wrong. Yeah, man. When when it was virtual and you could just bet online, man. It was that was the best. I was becoming a poker player, a virtual poker player because I didn't I was not going to be traveling to California or going to the WinStar, Oklahoma. Even though it was only an hour, hour and a half away, but I didn't like that that lifestyle. I like going behind the computer, doing my thing and getting off. So, anyhow, it came all crashing down.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, but you said am I a player that risk it all?
Casey G. Smith: That I'm curious, like, what was what was your your management style?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, it was kind of more like that cuz I want to keep playing, keep grinding it out. But every now and then, you'll you'll feel bold and be like, you know what, today I feel like gambling. I'm all in. You can scare some people away depending, you know, but yeah, you you some days you feel like that, like, I'm going to play aggressively today. So, I'm all in. And you're just stealing chips from people. I'm all in, stealing chips.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, until somebody calls you on it when you do it.
Casey G. Smith: On the bluff. Call. Oh. Ouch.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, yeah, so good characters. I like how um, Ed Norton's character is like he's on the wrong path, but he's trying to, he's, he'll, he'll occasionally get on the right path just to appease his friend. And then his friend, Matt Damon, is on the right path and occasionally will do a wrong thing to help his friend.
Casey G. Smith: True.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And so it was like, this is crazy how they how they worked together. So, Yin and Yang. I mean, really, yeah, they are Yin and Yang of uh, poker. Poker.
Casey G. Smith: Texas Hold'em.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, with the commentary. So, there was several commentaries or was it just two? Two of them on there? Yeah, I've only only watched I only listened to the one with Ed Norton and the director, producer, writer.
Casey G. Smith: Two writers. Yeah. Agree, that's the only one I listened to as well.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, if I was still into poker, I probably would have listened to the poker.
Casey G. Smith: Now that I know your your your background.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Serial gambler, no, I'm just kidding. Degenerate gambler.
Casey G. Smith: Now that we know your record, Reginald. I'm surprised I'm surprised you didn't uh into that one, but it may be it was just time constraints or whatever. But um, I'm I don't know. I'm kind of interested maybe listen listen to some of what they have to say some their knowledge. But there's even like tips on the Blu-ray uh from from these different uh skilled players.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: Of things to to do, to not do. The games have evolved so much too that um, we wouldn't need to be in the state to compete with some of these international players because you got these kids, man, they are dialed into the computer. And they know the stats, they know everything. And they've been all they do is look at cards all day, you know. It's like you can't compete with that, dude.

Technical Details & Commentary
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, but yeah, just the feeling of oh snap, you got a few hundred bucks right here. And you can and it's up to you. Like, hey, how am I feeling? I can just leave. I can walk. Or I can grind it out.
Casey G. Smith: Are you the type that will gamble out of your your winnings?
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, there's a whole strategy and it's called like bankroll management. So, once you've gotten your bankroll to a certain amount, um, there is like a ratio of like risk management, you don't want to risk this amount of your bankroll, so like maybe 10% of 10,000 or whatever. You know, and kind of just manage it that way. That's kind of how it was going. But then it all came to an end.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Then it all went wrong. Yeah, man. When when it was virtual and you could just bet online, man. It was that was the best. I was becoming a poker player, a virtual poker player because I didn't I was not going to be traveling to California or going to the WinStar, Oklahoma. Even though it was only an hour, hour and a half away, but I didn't like that that lifestyle. I like going behind the computer, doing my thing and getting off. So, anyhow, it came all crashing down.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, but you said am I a player that risk it all?
Casey G. Smith: That I'm curious, like, what was what was your your management style?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, it was kind of more like that cuz I want to keep playing, keep grinding it out. But every now and then, you'll you'll feel bold and be like, you know what, today I feel like gambling. I'm all in. You can scare some people away depending, you know, but yeah, you you some days you feel like that, like, I'm going to play aggressively today. So, I'm all in. And you're just stealing chips from people. I'm all in, stealing chips.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, until somebody calls you on it when you do it.
Casey G. Smith: On the bluff. Call. Oh. Ouch.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, yeah, so good characters. I like how um, Ed Norton's character is like he's on the wrong path, but he's trying to, he's, he'll, he'll occasionally get on the right path just to appease his friend. And then his friend, Matt Damon, is on the right path and occasionally will do a wrong thing to help his friend.
Casey G. Smith: True.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And so it was like, this is crazy how they how they worked together. So, Yin and Yang. I mean, really, yeah, they are Yin and Yang of uh, poker. Poker.
Casey G. Smith: Texas Hold'em.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, with the commentary. So, there was several commentaries or was it just two? Two of them on there? Yeah, I've only only watched I only listened to the one with Ed Norton and the director, producer, writer.
Casey G. Smith: Two writers. Yeah. Agree, that's the only one I listened to as well.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, if I was still into poker, I probably would have listened to the poker.
Casey G. Smith: Now that I know your your your background.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Serial gambler, no, I'm just kidding. Degenerate gambler.
Casey G. Smith: Now that we know your record, Reginald. I'm surprised I'm surprised you didn't uh into that one, but it may be it was just time constraints or whatever. But um, I'm I don't know. I'm kind of interested maybe listen listen to some of what they have to say some their knowledge. But there's even like tips on the Blu-ray uh from from these different uh skilled players.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: Of things to to do, to not do. The games have evolved so much too that um, we wouldn't need to be in the state to compete with some of these international players because you got these kids, man, they are dialed into the computer. And they know the stats, they know everything. And they've been all they do is look at cards all day, you know. It's like you can't compete with that, dude.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, when you when you get to a place where you can like really obsess, and that's like what that that that high school, college age, there is a a freedom. Like, if there was like real like real online gaming when I was in high school, oh man, yeah, that that would have been in deep. in some in some games. But but yeah, when you have that time to just dive into whatever it is. You have then you can This guy has the limit, man. Hone your skills. And you've got the the youth, you know, anything that deal with reflexes, but yeah, you your mind, you know, is pretty sharp too then. Uh,
Reginald Titus Jr.: The I think the guys that sit down and hang around the table and do it. This is kind of like an older old school style and the newer people are kind of like online. And you see some of those people that were online that came and played with some of the older school people and kind of developed that that skill set because it is a skill set to have a poker face and to be able to read and tell when somebody's lying. That's a whole That's a whole whole situation.
Casey G. Smith: Very nice.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, but yeah, the commentary I felt like it was crowded.
Casey G. Smith: At times, yes, very much so. I'll tell you what I what I what I didn't like at the very end, Edward Norton tells his story during the very like in scene. I'm like, get to the point already, Edward. Like this is this is like the, I think I don't know, I think he did it on purpose. Like I kind of feel like, you're you're just like stealing thunder. You could have not told the story for one or told him because it's just, I don't know, it just it seemed out of place. I'm like, let let them talk about this, the tension that's building between these two actors. But yeah, but listen to your dumb story. Yeah, that that that that rubbed me the wrong way. I'm like, dude.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, it's Edward Norton. He'll be there on the commentary. He was there for Fight Club. We watched that one, didn't we? We did. We did.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, and and when I was listening to the commentary, when uh John Malkovich when he gets up and then he was like all this stuff like that. My commentary like just cut off. It like just turned off like, what's going on? So, was that in the middle of Edward Norton's story?
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, like he's yeah, he's yeah, he was yeah. He was just I was like, dude. Like it went it went it went through that whole scene. Oh. The whole last part of that scene. And it's like, come on, man. He said, I'll be quick. He was not quick. I bet that's brutal. And he was he was talking about himself at the World Poker Tournament and I'm like, oh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Stop! Stop!
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. And I'm like, dude. Yeah, it was uh, it was that was a that was a waste. That was a waste of opportunity.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Poker players love stories.
Casey G. Smith: Hey, I'm I'm I'm stories are cool, but the timing of it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It was so immature.
Casey G. Smith: When commentary for that scene in particular, you really want you really want to hear what the director or the writers had to say about how they played that out. And Edward was very complimentary of of uh of Malkovich, uh of course. But yeah, that was just yeah, ill-placed time for that story.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ill placement, Edward.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, what kind of special features? Did you watch any of the special features or what was it?
Casey G. Smith: There was a quick behind the scenes doc. I mean, like six minutes. Not not a whole lot there. As I mentioned before, there are some tips from the poker players, champion poker tips. Um, there's something called Inside Professional Poker. I didn't watch that, but uh, yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, Reginald might.
Casey G. Smith: Nah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Everything's like dated now, so it's like like even the film, I think it was ahead of its time, but when it finally hit, it was too late. Yeah. But yeah, but that was a that was it. Pretty fairly, fairly light on the movie related uh features, but, you know, there's something there for for those of you who might like the the game of poker. Poker. Yes. I mean, it's not that many movies that are good and well produced um that feature poker playing. I don't recall off top. They they were saying that they were like, you know, there's not a lot of like poker movies out there. Yeah, it's there's just one, I can't even think of the name of it. It was funny, but like the way they displayed the poker playing was comedic. It wasn't right. They didn't play it straight up. Um, the tone of the film, I like how the characters are introduced. You know, we see Matt Damon and what's his name? Mike. Mhm. And how, I mean, we just go right in with his with his voiceover and like these these dramatic colors and he's like taking, you know, is he a burglar? Like you just taking money out of different spots.
Casey G. Smith: Is he is he where is he going? Is he running away?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Like get your interest like right away. Um, and then we see, oh no, he's there to play poker. And loses it all. Um, and then on the flip side, so like we're kind of with him. Like, hey, we're, you know, poker is not the thing to be doing for a living. Um, cut to, you know, we see Edward Norton's character and he's just playing it up in prison, in prison. You know, playing with the brothers, playing with the guards and then, you know, for different reasons, for his necessities in prison, like you have to be pretty sharp coming out of there, man.
Casey G. Smith: No doubt, he's a sharp character, but he's also he's he's he's amoral.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And deeply flawed.
Casey G. Smith: As well.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, so I just like how those two characters were introduced and their dilemmas.
Casey G. Smith: Uh, tonally, I feel it had again initially it had a this Neo-Noir vibe to it as it first comes in, when you hear the jazz music playing and you hear Matt Damon's voiceover kick in. You know, you're like, wait a minute, what what's what's going on?
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's kind of confusing a little bit.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, I was like, hm, but but it it is it was all intriguing, especially you see him grabbing money. I'm like, okay, is he a is he a thief? Is this a heist? But you just don't know. Um, but then also it's got a a gangster vibe to it. It at times it feels kind of like a gangster film, a New York gangster film. Because of the the seedy characters.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, but underground we're playing we're playing cards. You know, and then we oh we got we got in into, you know, we owe somebody money. Yeah. And threatening us. Now we've gotten beaten up. And now we're against the deadline to get the money. You got to you got to play cards. Do it. So yeah, so it's it's got some nice suspense and drama. Drama. Drama. Um, uh the style of this film. I actually enjoyed it, man. It's um, very cinematic as we say. Got the anamorphic lenses popping. It's looking very good. Um, the little amber tones. They have their color scheme down. They do. Like the warm against the blue. Like, okay. So yeah, especially the beginning, the opening scene. Yeah, it's all very warm. And Edward Norton spoke to that where he talks about in New York, how they used to shoot a lot of New York movies with the Halogen lights. Yeah. That were kind of all around and those will give you more of a blue hue, tint and feel. But then they switched to the the sodium sodium based lights that then that give you that amber hue. Which is interesting because like at night time they're showing that it's like that. It is different. It is a different style. I like that. Then you have the comment like just the voiceover, you know, kind of giving us the insight because everybody doesn't know what happens in poker and all that stuff like when you're saying certain things. And so he's kind of letting us in. Oh, he's thinking this or when someone's thinking that, this is So he's kind of giving us some insight. Oh, okay. He's kind of bringing us up to speed. Thank you. It's helpful. Very, very helpful for for the outsider.

Themes & Final Takeaways
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, do you have any themes for this film?
Casey G. Smith: Uh, theme of skill versus luck. And risk versus reward.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh. That was actually pretty good. Um,
Casey G. Smith: Thank you. Thank you.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, I have I have one, loyal to a fault.
Casey G. Smith: Oh, that's good. That's uh, that's on point.
Casey G. Smith: And it's interesting like what what what what Mike is loyal to? You know, he's loyal to his friend, but not so much his girlfriend.
Reginald Titus Jr.: His girlfriend. Yeah, I don't know.
Casey G. Smith: I think they I mean, they they weren't going to make it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: No.
Casey G. Smith: Well, I mean, maybe they would have if if his friend hadn't shown back up.
Reginald Titus Jr.: They would eventually broke up later.
Casey G. Smith: Probably.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I mean, you have this somewhat of I don't know if it's an addiction or you have this way of life that you want to live and you're trying to cover up. And then you have no support from the woman that you're with who's going to see your every move. True. So, and he talks about how he how he he felt alive when he was playing. And I was like, oh, this is the nail in the coffin. Yeah, when he said that. He felt more alive than the past nine months when I played that hand. I was like, oh, that was that wasn't that wasn't what she wanted to hear. No. My boyfriend told me he felt the most alive when he played cards. Like the way she said it was like, Mhm. I thought I gave you life. Get over yourself, tuts. Well. But then she got him with that line. She said, but I'm just, you know, doing like you told me, you know, when you see it's not going to work out, you you you fold. Like, oh, man, she got you with a poker reference, brethren. Yeah, well done.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, when uh when Mike finds out that Worm is screwing him over. Yeah. And got got him like in the hole like kind of borrowing from his his uh account if you will, under under his name. Like just that that reveals like, oh, like, man, you you are you you could tell that Mike's a good friend to Worm. Worm's already like, I don't know about him, but maybe there's some hope. But then you find that out, you're like, oh, that guy's trash. Trash. Money.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Um, yeah, unbelievable. Um, I like uh when they're making their rounds, going to these different games, Mike and Ed Norton's character Worm. Um, and they're talking to these uh this couple, they're smoking and then like. And then I guess he's not a smoker or whatever, but he's telling them like about his hand how he just won or is about to win. And he does it in their cigar language. Yeah, they're doing the whole, uh, it's got a, it's got a certain uh texture, flavor to it. Like, it's very smooth. It's just kind of rolls off. And then he hits them with it. Well, my hand does this, this, this, this and wins for him the pot. Yeah. Cut to Edward Norton doing a little snicker. Like, how did he hear him from way across the room at a piano?
Casey G. Smith: He's a worm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's what he does. He hears things. He's he's he's perceptive. Yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, I also had when when they when they get beat up and robbed by the cops. That's wow. And it's all. Yeah. Unbelievable. All Worm's freaking fault. Like Michael told him, hey, man, I got this. You know, you stay, you know, go somewhere for eight hours and then come back. And all of a sudden you see it when when when Worm walks in, you're like, dang. Like, and and to Matt Damon's credit, the way he plays it as Mike, like playing, like he know he's frustrated. You know he's angry. You know he knows you know that he knows it's Mike's it's Worm's voice. But he he still plays it cool and does does his thing. And the fact that Worm comes to his table. Oh, man, this is not going to end well. But then the fact that, you know, they're I think they're up by ten, maybe they got maybe 10Gs or something like that. And then they, man, they beat the hell out of those boys. Yeah. And then when they throw him out, I'm like, oh, come on, please tell me please tell me they didn't run run through your pockets. Run them pockets. Run! And they surely did. They're like, they took everything like, oh, man, that's sad when you get.
Casey G. Smith: Worm.
Reginald Titus Jr.: You get robbed by cops. That's pretty bad. It's a bad day. I was I was I was I was really pissed at Worm. I was like, this guy this guy's trash. Trash and a half. Yes. He has built up his rep. His reputation proceeds him. I mean, you know, you get the nickname Worm. You don't even bother to say, I need a new I need a new nickname. You're just like, no, that that fits. I'm good with that. What's up, big Worm? Big Worm. He's not even big Worm. He's just Worm. Yuck. Yuck. I wonder what name he uses when he's playing. If they even ask. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how why you would even play with somebody named Worm. Yeah. If you had a table and somebody came, hi, my name's Worm. Yeah. Rodman, remember Rodman, that was his name, Dennis Rodman. But he had other skills. We knew he was Dennis Rodman. He was entertaining us, not robbing us. Yeah. He was robbing rebounds. That's true. Crashing some boards. I like the scene when the team, they're all meeting up at a casino and they just so happen to run into each other. And Knish is like, oh, since you're back in business, Mike, I think I'll just sit down at this table, you know. Um, and then we see all the other players that know what's going on and they're there. And they know, you know, whenever fresh meat gets down the table, we're running them pockets. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That was a cool thing to see. And then of course, lastly, the last scene, my my my favorite scene in the movie was just the end, you know, when when Mike, you know, he gets gets gets the big win. And just Malkovich's, well, when Mike discovers KGB's tell with those Oreo cookies. Yeah. And when KGB realizes that Mike has discovered his tell. The look on his face. He's just and he the realization hits. And then all of a sudden you see the cookie just, you know, just flung across the room, you know, landing next to his bodyguard. Like, goes the Oreos. I'm like, oh, man. He's like, Mike's like, not not hungry anymore? Oh, dude, dude. But then he he he gets the win and KGB gets up and he he's he's pissed. He's like, how the how the hef you you pull this yeah, you you you check this? What the? He's like, just he's losing it. Like that slow build of anger of slowly things slowly unraveling is so well played. And then at the end, KGB says, don't pay pay him his money. Pay that man his money. His money. He won fair and square. Yeah, so that was that was my That scene was great cuz it's like two, you know, separate things going on. You have Mike won, but then KGB like kind of baiting him. Teddy Teddy KGB's like just baiting him. He's like, hey, I'm not satisfied. It's your money. Yes, I I think it's I just paying you your money that I took when you last time when I turned you over like I was like, no. I was like, man, you are Yeah, it was that was a that was pretty hilarious. It was. It's your money. And then he was like, what? You you owe Oreo eating jumpsuit wearing. Man. But then you get that next shot where like it pans over and all the chips are with KGB. You're like, dude. So, so what makes that cool? You know, Mike is like, all right, fine. I'll do it. And then of course, uh grandma, I think that's his name, the the uh bookie is like, well, I mean you you got a few hours anyway, you know, and you don't have to pay me till tomorrow. So it's your money until then. And so Mike turns around, basically like kind of like Michael J. Fox, and, what'd you just say? Did you just call me yellow? You know, did you just call me chicken? That's the that's what that reminds me of. And then as soon as he gets down, like KGB, he's happy again, inspired. Yeah, let's play. Let's play cards. And then, you know, kind of like a dissolve happens. Like you said, we see the chips are in Teddy's hands right now. He's like, you must be kicking yourself. You've had all the money and you could have just left. Like, man, you are like turning the screws. He's turning the screws to Mike. Got I mean, got almost all his money. Yeah. But then, again, we we see him find the tell. And you hear stories like this. Like there's poker stories about this. Like people literally losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. All to get the research on another person. To lose his money to find someone else's tell out. They uh, going to school. Yes. Paying paying to learn. Paying for the tuition. The one tip that I did watch off the Blu-ray, the guy said the first tip, he said, you got to be a loser first. Losing. You know, you learn you got, like, you you lose to learn. Yeah. You lose a lot, you learn a lot. And then you can start winning. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's true. I mean, yeah. That's a life lesson. Yeah, that was a funny scene, though. Uh, do we have any tropes? Uh, tropes, tropes, tropes, just a few. I got the bookies, you know. Oh, the bookies are on us. I got to make this amount. It's like the deadline that's happening. Or I'm either going to die or be severely injured. You lose somebody parts. Yes. Uh, you pick up the friend getting out from jail. Yeah, to add to that, it reminded me of, well, the guy didn't get picked up out of jail, but uh Beverly Hills Cop. His troubled friend that got shot. Eddie Murphy's troubled friend that came back from the first Beverly Hills Cop. Um, he's the sketchy friend that just got out of jail. Hey, man, you know, he's in this apartment. Already got already got trouble following him. Just that quick. Just out and already there's scheming. Yeah, because there's people looking for him because he had, what did he do? He stole, was it checks? I forgot what he stole. I wasn't quite clear on it, but I'm like, his name's Worm. We know he did dirty. But to his the most loyal thing he did was not snitch. I'll give him that. He did he didn't snitch on uh true. Mike. Um, uh that's another trope of, you know, whatever your thing is that you were doing before you were introduced to your friend is you can see him slipping at his job or whatever the thing is. It's like, oh, man, he's, he's not kicking. He's not ready for the deposition. No, man. Come on, Mike. What are you doing, man? Uh, the the screw-up friend screws up the plan. Yeah, like the cop. Yeah, like the cop at the police the police state. I call that the all is lost moment. Man, for real. Goodness. Anyhow, uh, any more. That's it. Tropes. Uh, do you have some quotes for us? Uh, quote or two? Sure. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at your table, you're the sucker. Whoa. That's like one of the opening lines in the first uh voiceover. We can't run from who we are. Our destiny chooses us. That's a little tip he got from his professor. It's like the nature channel. Means you don't see the piranhas eating themselves. I think that was Worm uh speaking to Mikey.

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Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, yeah, about the um all the poker players going to pound on the tourist. Um, when Mike discovers that his girlfriend has left him by packing all her things in the middle of the night while he was out with Worm, doing God knows what, with God knows who, Uh, they both get into the apartment. All the stuff is gone. And he's like, yeah, man, this kind of rat old girl women in general, just like, man, see she, you know, all that stuff. And then Matt Damon's character was like, I told her she'd be a good card player. She knew when to get rid of a shitty hand. Dang. When, uh, when you know, Matt's back in the, excuse me, I'm Matt. Mike is back in the mix making his rounds, as a rounder. Yeah. He, uh, and you know, they're they're playing all those different games, right, to try and build this money up quickly. Mhm. And they're playing against one of the guys that can a deli shop or something like that. And like when the guy loses and the guy behind the counter was like, does he look like a man who was beaten by Jacks? Uh-huh. Does he look like a man who was beaten with Jacks? Yeah. Oh, man. That's pretty bad. That was pretty funny. Uh, uh when uh grandma, the bookie is looking for Edward Norton and he he basically is letting Edward uh Worm knowing that he kind of purchased his debt. And uh telling him how this thing is going to work out. He said, I was thinking. And then Worm's like, oh, you're thinking now. That's big. And then like just his mouth gets him into further trouble every time. That's very true. He doesn't know when to keep it zipped. Even when they go back to, when they go to see him, try and negotiate, you know, and Mike's trying to work something out. He is not uh not quite where he needs to be. I need your charity like I need a in the whoa. Uh, this is uh, uh John Turturro's character, uh Joey. Joey Knish, or Knish. says, um, he's he's talking to Mikey. He's talking about, you know, Mikey tells he he's got the stones, you know, you got all he says, you don't have the stones to make a movie. He says, I got the stones, I got the stones not to chase. Ooh. He goes by, you know, my kids, my kids eat. He says, I play for money. I only child support. My kids eat. I'm like, whoa. Shout out to Knish. Yes, sir. Being responsible. I don't have any more quotes. Uh, I forgot to mention. I mean, there's plenty. I mean, if you just like the last scene, I mean, that's come on. I could probably I could probably do one. So that that quote we were referring to with KGB, by, you know, John Malkovich, says, I am still up 20 grand from the last time I stick it in you. And he does a maneuver like he does the the generation of the hips. It's it's pretty funny seeing Malkovich do that. Um, there there is one that I do like, that's just part of pop culture. We're like, when he's going, he's going to check it, check it, check it. Yeah, I mean, that got under his skin because um that's basically called like slow rolling somebody whenever you know you have the bigger hand and you're just like, instead of raising it, you know, the pot up a little bit, just checking. You know, check. And you just kind of baiting the person into betting. Oh, you're going to check. Well, I bet this. What is check mean exactly? You're not going to you're not going to raise it. Like when it's your turn to put money into the pot, you just check. Meaning that you're not going to raise the pot. Cause usually when you see like Malkovich, you're like, oh, I raise you a thousand. I raise you this. So you can choose not to like not to meet their raise. Just kind of say, you're basically telling them put put more in. Continue to raise. Yeah, for the uh to see the next card. 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