FMC 151: Scream 5 Directed by Matt Bettinelli and Olpin Tyler Gillett – Halloween Edition

Full Episode Transcript
This episode of Filmmaker Commentary the 2022 horror film "Scream 5," discussing its box office success, awards, and the directors' approach to continuing a beloved franchise without its original creator, alongside a look at current entertainment news and other films the hosts have been watching.

Introduction and Film Overview
Reginald Titus Jr.: Filmmaker Commentary episode 151, Halloween edition. Welcome to Filmmaker Commentary where we cover movies with commentaries from directors who take the time to record them on Blu-ray and DVDs. We also give our detailed insights, so look out for spoilers. We discuss the latest in showbiz news along with movies and TV shows that we've been watching. So join Reginald Titus Jr. That's me. And Casey G. Smith. That's me. Every week here on Filmmaker Commentary. Yo, yo, yo, welcome to Filmmaker Commentary. I'm Reginald Titus Jr. I'm joined with Casey G. Smith.
Casey G. Smith: Welcome back, sir. Good to be back, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And today we're talking about Scream 2022, or Scream 5 for those that are counting, um, directed by Mat Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett. Oh, how about that? Got a bonafide team happening. Uh, what was the budget for this film and the box office?
Casey G. Smith.: All right, so Scream 2002 on a $24 million budget, had a worldwide box office, of course, during the pandemic, of $140 million.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What? Stab-y wins again. Give me your money. This is just like a guaranteed money machine. They better not mess this franchise up.
Casey G. Smith.: Horror has its way. But I mean, there there there the formula works. What what can we say? This is not just a typical scary movie, this is a who done it. And it it it works every time.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, man. Got me again.
Casey G. Smith.: Same here. I'm like, I dag gum it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: But it's but it's it it's still fun. It's still to to be on the journey of who done it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: This was kind of under my radar. I didn't realize that it was even out until just like, I think it was like a random trailer on my smart TV that came out and I had seen that. I was like, wait a second. Where's four? Like, hmm.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, this just came out in January. I I feel like I feel like it came out last year for some reason. But but no. January is an interesting time to let me make sure I'm saying that correctly. Let me look at the
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, when it officially dropped.
Casey G. Smith.: Hmm, the actual release date. Oh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, that is a weird time to drop a film.
Casey G. Smith.: Let me make sure. All right, so now, this yeah, this says uh January 14th in the US of 2022.
Reginald Titus Jr.: My goodness. Scream wins again. I had no idea, especially to make that amount of money with that budget and man, that yeah, that one kind of flew under the radar for me. I had no idea. Well done.
Casey G. Smith.: Made $30 million opening weekend.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude, everybody wanted to stabs. Give me out of this house. Um, so what were like some of the awards? I noticed that um, it was rotten fresh certified fresh Rotten Tomatoes. Um, what what uh were the awards for Scream 5 222? Whatever.
Casey G. Smith.: Uh, Scream, we say 22K.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mm-hm.
Casey G. Smith.: It did win one award, and that was the MTV + TV awards for Most Frightened Performance by one Jenna Ortega.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Tip my hat off to her. Um, what what was kind of like the sentiment? Did anybody, did you see any reviews or anything on it?
Casey G. Smith.: Not in particular. Like yourself, I I felt like this one flew under the radar.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: The the trailers looked looked interesting and we kind of saw kind of a new a new a new line, a new wave of characters coming through that that seemed like that they weren't gonna be so much fly-by-night, like just straight fodder. You know there's gonna be a lot of deaths of course. But uh, seemed like kind of a new launch, plus this is also the first Scream without the late great Wes Craven.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: So I I wonder how that um worked into the into the psychics of people's minds. Like, oh, Wes not a part of this one.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, absolutely. It's almost like just let it be, but gotta go to the bank. You know what I mean? Um, but yeah, man, good for them. Uh, but before we talk further about Scream 22K?
Casey G. Smith.: Sure.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Let's talk about TV and movies watched.
Current Entertainment News
Casey G. Smith.: All right, we're gonna kick this off on this Halloween edition. On a slight somber note, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Cormac Roth, musician and son of Tim Roth, dies at the young age of 25. He died after a year-long battle with Stage 3 Germ Cell Cancer. I I haven't heard of germ cell cancer before. But uh again, Cormac Roth, a musician and son of British actor Tim Roth, has died after a year-long battle with Stage 3 Germ Cell Cancer, his family announced Monday. Again, he was 25. So uh, just want to uh give a uh a shout-out to the Roth family, give our condolences here at Filmmaker Commentary. It's uh uh always tragic when someone passes, but I think even more so when a parent has to has to bury one of their children. So, just condolences to the Roth family and the the friends and family of of Tim Roth and his bandmates as well. Rest in peace, brother.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Whoa. RIP, brother.
Casey G. Smith.: On a different note, according to Variety, James Gunn and Peter Safran give DC Studios and Dave Zaslav bold, brash and slightly risky new guardians. I don't know if you were aware aware of this that this happened last week, Reginald, that DC what was previously called the DC Extended Universe, now calling themselves DC Studios. And you know, previously their head guy was uh Kevin Tsujihara. But as you may know, Warner Brothers has gone through a lot of shakeup of late in ownership. Right? They've gone from being owned by AT&T to now being owned by Discovery. And they have their new president, David Zaslav, who's making a lot of changes, a lot of cutting and slashing.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Haha, stab.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, excellent. A lot of a lot of uh yeah, stabby stab stab. So what they announced this week is that James Gunn and one Peter Safran will both work as a tandem to head DC Studios going forward. Peter Safran is a is a producer, so he'll kind of be over the business aspect of it, with James Gunn over the creative side of it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I like.
Casey G. Smith.: Agreed. Now, here's what's interesting. The the day that this was announced by DC, Marvel also released their Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special trailer. I should say that the other way. Marvel released their Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Trailer Special this weekend on the same day DC drops its announcement. Little, you know, competitive jab.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Or maybe a partnership behind the scenes. You know?
Casey G. Smith.: Well, people asked Kevin Feige what he thought about James Gunn going to be a DC because he's gonna be exclusive once that happens. He'll be obviously exclusive for DC. He's he's he's Peter and and and Gunn will be the equivalent of what Kevin Feige is at Marvel Studios. And uh he was like, he goes, I I'll be the first in line to see what James creates. Uh, so I was like, very very classy Feige. He said, but but until I forget what what what month he mentioned because he's still with us until, you know, whatever month he goes. He still has the last Guardians, Guardians of Galaxy Volume 3 to to hit. That's his last film with uh with Marvel.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Did he direct the Holiday Special?
Casey G. Smith.: Oh yeah. It's Guardians, it's it's James Gunn. That's that's his baby. But I mean, he's I mean, what he did with Suicide Squad, the the the second Suicide Squad, and then with Peacemaker, I can't I can't wait to see what his his touch and influence throughout DC Studios, what's that that's what that is going to look like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, it makes the most sense too, especially for somebody like um Gunn. Uh, love for comics and just a writer first, you know, and uh yeah, he's getting his chance. And then uh you can there's a certain style that is it's kind of its own. Uh when you look at like a Guardians film compared to the other Marvel stuff and like how they speak, a lot of things are a little bit different. And um, and also James Gunn likes to be violent, you know, and so like I think that kind of fares well for some of the DC stuff.
Casey G. Smith.: Oh yeah. And so yeah, DC is looking up because now we've got the official announcement that Henry Cavill is officially now back as Superman, because that was kind of kind of people weren't sure, like, is he's but now he's he's maybe he's officially back as as Superman, and he's gonna be like very optimistic and hopeful kind of Superman. Kind of the one like what we've grown up with as as kids, what we saw the Superman. So that's that's gonna be a plus. And uh yeah, so that's what I had for news.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, I watched this trailer. It's called M3GAN, and it's like basically it's like Chucky, a Chucky doll, but it's uh, it's it's it's for kid young girls.
Casey G. Smith.: Oh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And and it's it's kind of like one of those genres where the the she's trying to be, she is the friend of the little girl, but kind of takes it too far. Like, hey, if if you're gonna bully her, I'm gonna kill you type of thing. And it's starring uh what's her name? Allison Williams, who was the villain in Get Out. She was in
Casey G. Smith.: And from from from HBO's Girls.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. So, uh, I saw this a couple weeks ago. I was like, this I'm signing up. Me and my wife watched that trailer.
Casey G. Smith.: I'll have to check that out. What's the Megan?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: How how do you Megan has various spellings. M E G A N, M E H G A N?
Reginald Titus Jr.: It is spelled if I can pull this up. Okay, IMDB taking forever. Uh, M 3 G A N.
Casey G. Smith.: I am so glad that I asked. So glad that I asked. Because I would have been like, I can't find this dadgum trailer, Reg. Awesome.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude.
Casey G. Smith.: So I actually watched based on the recommendation of a buddy of mine. He is uh a director out in the the LA area, but he's also big into into um, just being athletic and out there. He's a he's a uh a climber as well. And he he mentioned the film called Free Solo. Have you heard of it before?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude, that guy there is nuts. Um,
Casey G. Smith.: Alex Honnold.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He yeah, um, he's actually getting like some pretty cool endorsements too. And this guy's hands, dude. He's like he's like real skinny, but his hands look like a football player.
Casey G. Smith.: He's like Beast from the X-Men. Like before he went blue and furry. That's kind of how I mean his whole body was big, but yeah, his the hands and the feet, just like muscle, like on roids, like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So crazy. But yeah, familiar with the guy and familiar with the documentary.
Casey G. Smith.: Documentary. So it's on Disney Plus under the National Geographic section, and I watched it yesterday and I was like, I didn't know anything about free soloing. For those that don't know, free soloing is when you when you go climbing on a mountain with no gear. It's just you, your chalk and whatever kind of shoes mountain climbers wear. And you just yeah, finding the wedges and crevices, of course, you you you you plot all this stuff out. Yeah, you don't just go, I'm gonna go. No. But it's I'm gonna go that way. Yeah, like they it's very strategic, but as the film is as the documentary is unfolding, they mentioned other climbers, other other free soloists who have died.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, I see you.
Casey G. Smith.: Just like, I'm like, oh, what? That? Oh, another one. Oh, dear. It's
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, absolutely.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's not something you just do. That that guy is on a different level of focus and yeah.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, seriously. But it's it's pretty amazing. It it's one of it's one of those films that's about like the triumph of the not just the human spirit, but the human body of of what of what mankind is capable of. And yes, you as as as a as a non-climber as probably, but you know, 99% of the population would look and say, oh, heck no. This guy, he went for it. And kudos to him. I'm sorry. I'd recommend if you're interested, check it out. Disney Plus, Free Solo.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's right.
Casey G. Smith.: Right.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I would say I would say 99.99% will say no. And then climbing in general, a mountain with with equipment. Yes. And then 99.999999.
Casey G. Smith.: Even with the equipment. Yeah. And just and just to to to make it even more enticing, the what he's attempting to climb in the film, I won't give the ending away, is is like the toughest. It's like it's like it's almost like a sheer wall of of granite.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Like just it's like sheer. And it's in Yosemite.
Casey G. Smith.: Like the like the goats that lean up against the mountain, the goats like.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, like when you look at this thing, you don't see like a bunch of clefs and crevices. Like this is how to grip.
Casey G. Smith.: It's like sheer. So it's pretty it's pretty uh incredible.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, that's dark. Yeah. Life is extreme enough. Like I'm gonna make a comment. I'm gonna leave it alone. Leave it alone. Leave it alone. Yeah. Uh, speaking of leaving things alone. I watched Halloween Ends. That's not that's not a slight on the on the film. I was like, that's what I'm like, I don't that's how we didn't quite go the way we wanted to. Um, But Halloween Ends. I I I checked that out on Peacock uh on on Saturday. I actually I actually I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, because I watched I watched Halloween Kills ever since we covered the first Halloween on Filmmaker Commentary a number of couple of years ago now. Yeah. By John Carpenter's Halloween. That not only turned us on to John Carpenter, but uh the Halloween franchise. And honestly the the slasher genre because Halloween kind of kind of created that. And uh, it was it was it was cool to to to check this out. It was it was not what I expected, but like in a in a good way.
Casey G. Smith.: Huh?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Really?
Casey G. Smith.: Mm-hm. Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh.
Casey G. Smith.: So I think I think again, since you you saw the first one, I'd recommend Peacock, Halloween Ends.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay. Jamie Lee Curtis.
Casey G. Smith.: Jamie Lee Curtis. Still at it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Still at it. That's that's that's something to come back to a franchise. Like one of the most her characters, one of the most traumatized women in America. Kind of like um what's her name? Sydney in Scream.
Casey G. Smith.: Word. Did you see Halloween Halloween Kills?
Reginald Titus Jr.: I did not.
Casey G. Smith.: I'd recommend I think you have to watch that one first. Because they they they're they're like back to back. It's like a double feature. So that one was last year, wasn't it, when that dropped.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah, they're like, boop boop. You gotta you gotta you have to you have to that it it it's almost like a part one, part two kind of thing. Yeah. They're they tie in. It it's it's pretty it's pretty um pretty important to see Halloween Kills first.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Unbelievable. What about you? What else have you been watching, Reginald?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, I watched two episodes of Atlanta cuz I missed one last time. So episode 7, which is called Snip Hunt. I think it was October 20th. And then the most recent one, The Goof that sat by the door, episode 8.
Casey G. Smith.: The Goof, yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: The Goof. Why did I say Goof? What is that? I don't know. I made that up. What did you think of that? Um, I know why I said Goof, because um, the title is based on a book called The Spook Who Sat by the Door. Oh, which is basically, you know, derogatory term for black folks. Um, but it's about a guy who gets insider information in a place he shouldn't be at and uses it against the people.
Casey G. Smith.: Uh-huh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And you kind of see like a like a storyline of that when people get information, uh whether that be the military or whatever, how they get the information, and like it goes awry, you know, dude starts blasting everybody, you know, for, you know, whatever reason he got triggered. And so so I was interested just because of that title. I was like, oh, what is this? I wasn't aware of that history even, or the title tie-in. Absolutely. So I was like, okay, I have to see this just based on cuz I'm familiar with that story. Um, yeah, and they that's exactly what it is in this one. Um, Goof that step by the door. But I you know what? I think I would have got more out of it, had I seen the Goofy movie.
Casey G. Smith.: See, I I I've never watched. I don't like Goofy as a as a character.
Reginald Titus Jr.: In general, right?
Casey G. Smith.: I I yeah, I don't I don't like Goofy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I don't like what he stands for.
Casey G. Smith.: I I don't like him as a to me he's just too goofy. Like period. Like I'm like, I don't I don't like this character. But maybe it was subconscious all this time. Cause like I didn't I didn't see him as being a parent. But then after hearing, if if some of the descriptions they were talking about was true, like cuz I mean it's it's a This episode, spoiler alert for this latest episode of uh episode 9?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Yes, indeed.
Casey G. Smith.: Spoiler alert. For this uh latest episode of uh episode 9?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh, it's either 8 or 9.
Casey G. G. Smith: Either 8 or 9 of Atlanta. You know, it's a it's a it is a it is a mockumentary of a a black man grows up in the hood, but is different and unique because he loves to draw, a little bit ostracized because of that, who goes to Savannah College of Art and Design, SCAD. Like, oh, okay, they're giving them a shout-out. That's that's product placement. And his dream is to go and work for Disney. But while he's at SCAD, a Disney artist shows up there to as a guest speaker. Excuse me, and talks about about Goofy, the character of Goofy, and what what he comes from. And kind of they go back to the original notes of what Goofy is based off of. And at least, at least in the show, they say that he's based off a a negro character is lazy, doesn't really understand like what's going on and I was I was like, oh. That makes me like you even if this is true, that makes me like you even less, Goofy. Like this is damn. Come on. What?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, I thought it was him.
Casey G. Smith.: Anyway, but this but the but this character, he he begins to identify with Goofy in a almost like unhealthy way. And once and and through a a crazy turn of events, he gets, he not only lands a job at Disney as an artist, which is very difficult to do. But on top of that, based on a snafu of his name being the same as another member of the board, he ends up becoming the head of Disney.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh-huh.
Casey G. Smith.: That's terrible.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, cuz he has the name Tom, was it Tom, was his first name?
Casey G. Smith.: I can't remember. I watched that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And so it was like one of those names where it's like, oh, this has to be a Thomas or Tom or whatever his name was, which is, you know, there's a lot of like sub layers going on here, you know, uh like the Uncle Tom, The Spook Who Sat by the Door. And then the the, you know, in Black America, when you have to kind of prove that you you're down the corporate the corporate environment and then doing so you lose your black culture. So like too your your black culture friends, you're like, oh, you're not down anymore. You're basically like kind of sold out kind of thing. And so he's kind of has his dilemma where he has to prove that he's down.
Casey G. Smith.: And he's hard.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That he still supports the culture.
Casey G. Smith.: And he's trying to and he is he decides to make a film that's going to be like the blackest film that addresses everything possible Black. And he decides to do it through a Goofy movie.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's right.
Casey G. Smith.: Man.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I have I watched a review on YouTube, uh two guys, African-American, and one of them actually watched the movie. He said this is like one of his favorite movies, Goof, the Goofy movie was one of his favorite movies like growing up. And they're like kind of showing clips of him something. I'm like, I had no idea all this stuff was in that movie, you know, like the MC Hammer pants, the the how they were wearing their hair. I just I I had no idea.
Casey G. Smith.: I remember Goofy had a show called The Goof Troop. Best thing about it was the theme song. But I mean, Disney show theme songs in the 90s were all all hitting.
Reginald Titus Jr.: All hitting. Yes. Theme songs had to be was the situation.
Casey G. Smith.: Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck, DuckTales, all. You could just like. If it's Disney Afternoon, it was hidden.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Very catchy.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Absolutely.
Casey G. Smith.: But I would not watch the show. I'd let the theme song play, all right, that's all I need. I'm out.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Out. I'm out. I did something about I was like, I don't I don't like I don't like any of this.
Casey G. Smith.: I didn't I didn't I didn't like the dude Pete, who was Goofy's neighbor, who was And I thought, well, I think I can't stand is a no good Goof. Like he was always he was the way he would talk about Goof Goofy was like, it was it was it sounded racial or at least if if Goofy was a type of people, This guy was
Reginald Titus Jr.: Which is basically like, you know, goes with Spook, you know what I mean? So, hey.
Casey G. Smith.: Every time, like that's how he start that's how he talked about Goofy, like he was a uh he like he was a less less species of individual. And that and then again, Goofy had a had a had a had a he didn't have a wife in the show, but he did have a kid, but Pete, Pete was his best friend and this was Pete's dad. And Pete's dad had a had a wife. And again, she had no business being like that fine for a cartoon character. I was like, cuz she was like all shapely and stuff and it was like, uh, you don't even you don't need you don't need to be looking like that. She was a Miss Pocker. She was a Miss Pocker. Yeah, I was like, mm. But anyway, that's uh, but that episode of Atlanta was it was it was well done.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's hilarious. There's something wrong with this cartoon.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. Yeah, they're they're not racial. Yeah. They're they're racial. It sounded racial. Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Was it the one where God is the is it an animation? Is it one with the black guy and it's mixed.
Casey G. Smith.: Not not in when we say mix, it's like George like who framed Roger Rabbit. There's there's there's part real live action mixed with animation. Not so much not so much race. It's uh South something of the South. Song of the South. Boom.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And God is like a black guy.
Casey G. Smith.: Not so much race.
Reginald Titus Jr.: There you go. And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Full circle.
Casey G. Smith.: Full circle, indeed. Woo, buddy.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh so the previous episode, uh, that was called Snip Hunt. And it's basically Earn, Van, and their little girl going out to camp for her birthday.
Casey G. Smith.: For her birthday.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I watched this one with the wife and that one, that one felt good. See, I thought that was gonna be like the end. Yeah. Cuz I'm like, how many episodes are they gonna do this season? But I saw that. I was like, oh, is this gonna be the end of it? But then the next one came out. I was like, oh. So I know there's gotta be another one. Cuz I know, okay, this is typically, you know, 10 episode seasons. So, yeah. We gotta we gotta have a send off for Paper Boy. Paper Boy. We gotta get on the crew. Yeah. As they head to, at least as Earn heads to. All going to LA probably.
Casey G. Smith.: Yeah. And then I was like, I'm like, I guess he's like, hey, the show's this the last season, we're just going for it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Absolutely. I think I think they'll be down for that cuz they can some stuff they can't do at Disney that they can do with their under their other property. So I think they'll be down to do that. Especially it being satire.
Casey G. Smith.: Man, that's that's that's hell of bold, though. I'm like, dang, this is one of your like, one of your one of your main stay characters. Like, and this I this is bold. To me that that's pretty bold. I applaud them for doing it, but I'm just like, that's that's bold. I think that he gets to hide behind satire on that. Um, whereas somebody just pull it out straight up documentary about it. I'd be there'll be a little bit more reluctant, even though we know that that company has a very sketchy past. Oh, that's true. Keep that one in the Disney Vault. Uh, what was the one? Coon Skin. There was one called was that Disney? No, that wasn't Disney. That was Warner Brothers. Coon Skin is Warner Brothers. Okay. Sorry about that. Allegedly. Not allegedly. Allegedly. Uh, the one we're talking about is uh, oh man, what is it? It's it's crazy racist, man. It is crazy. Is it is it the one where God is the is it an animation? Is it one with the black guy and it's mixed?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. Uh, yeah, yeah. Uh, uh.
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