FMC 047: Gladiator Directed by Ridley Scott

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This episode of Filmmaker Commentary Ridley Scott's epic "Gladiator," offering insights into its production, themes, memorable moments, and valuable filmmaking lessons derived from its comprehensive commentary tracks and critical reception.

Opening & Current Film News
Reginald Titus Jr.: Filmmaker Commentary 47. Welcome to Filmmaker Commentary, where we give you insights from our favorite filmmaking commentaries. These commentaries can be heard on your DVD and Blu-rays of your favorite movies. We'll show you how you can use these commentaries and apply them to improve your video production and filmmaking techniques. All of this here on Filmmaker Commentary. I'm your host, Reginald Titus Jr.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Welcome to Filmmaker Commentary. I'm Reginald Titus Jr.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I'm joined with...
Casey G. Smith: Casey G. Smith.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I'm talking like this because I watched Gladiator. Ah. Yes.
Casey G. Smith: Yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I'll follow Maximus to Hell Rome.
Casey G. Smith: And I shall have my vengeance.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Thank y'all for tuning in. Today we're going to go over 2000, the year 2000, Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott. But before we dive into the actual show, we're going to go over news and movies watched. Let's do it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: News. The only news I have today is, there was a trailer made, there was a trailer, Spider-Man: Far From Home.
Casey G. Smith: Indeed.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Did you check that one out?
Casey G. Smith.: Absolutely! Absolutely!
Reginald Titus Jr.: Thoughts so far?
Casey G. Smith: Uh, yeah, I'm stoked, man. Supposed to take place after Avengers: Endgame, which is interesting. It's kind of, it kind of sucks that they had to kind of put it out there, especially because we're still months away from Avengers: Endgame. But I love Tom Holland as Spider-Man. I think a lot of people do. Excited to see Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio. And apparently on the side of the angels as we start off, seeing glimpses of Sandman and possibly Hydro-Man. Well, and, and Nick Fury in there, which is a nice little throwback to the comic book and to the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon that was on Disney XD a couple years back. So, so yeah, I'm stoked. What do you think?
Reginald Titus Jr.: I'm not sure. I'm reserved, but I know my, my son loves this version of Spider-Man and he loves it because, you know, he's in school, you know, he can relate to the character in that regard. So, from my standpoint, I'm just like, I don't know if I'm being burnt out on like just superhero movies in general. Sure. I think that might be it. Like, man, I need something that's not predictable, you know what I mean? Like, so that's what I feel like, but I could be completely wrong, like Aquaman.
Casey G. Smith: W-w-w-w-w-w-winning at the box office.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Totally winning.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I like the way it looks, but I'm kind of reserved on like a real opinion until I see another trailer.
Casey G. Smith: Fair enough.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Also, news. Ghostbusters 3. There was a teaser trailer. Somebody's just like a barn. You zooming in, it's dark night and then you see the the vehicle, the Ghostbusters vehicle, like under a little dark, under like some tarp, like the old, uh, Back to the Future car. Yep. So I'm like, it says summer 2020. Ghostbusters 3.
Casey G. Smith: I, I wasn't even, I wasn't aware that the teaser trailer had dropped. I, I remember I saw like a headline that they were teasing about like Dan Aykroyd had mentioned something, but he's been talking about Ghostbusters for like decades. So I kind of got to the point of kind of dismissing it, but, alright, cool.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So the reason this is like news is because Leslie Jones, who's in the other Ghostbusters with the with all the women, right? She said this is something that Trump would do. Like she's like blast him on Twitter and stuff like that. I'm like, ooh.
Casey G. Smith: Whoa, whoa, that's, that's interesting. Why, why would she do that when they started it? Like how you can get mad that they want to do a sequel? They've been talking about it for so long. That, I don't know why you would say that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So they're, I guess in this new version, there is like in another world, a new, uh, what I mean, what do you call it? A universe.
Casey G. Smith: Alternate, alternate dimension.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, so it's a, it's a universe that's not related to the women Ghostbusters. And so I guess this is like a big problem. I never seen that, I didn't see that version of Ghostbusters.
Casey G. Smith: I didn't see it either. I heard mixed reviews about it and I was like, ah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I saw the trailer and I was like, nah. I was like, it's not for me. You know, I'm not part of the audience.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So anyway, I, um, yeah, I'll watch it.
Casey G. Smith: I need to, I need to see the full trailer first. I, I love the first Ghostbusters is to me is a classic. That movie is.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What about part two?
Casey G. Smith: Uh, you know, I haven't, I haven't watched, I have not rewatched part two in a long, since I was a kid, honestly. Yeah. Uh, but just it to in my, in my brain.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What's the one that Bobby Brown has the theme song?
Casey G. Smith: That's part two.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, man, that was jamming. Oh, yeah.
Casey G. Smith: When on, on, on. Too hot to handle, too cold to hold. Call the Ghostbusters and they in control.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah. King of R&B.
Casey G. Smith: Man. That makes me miss BET, man. Like video soul, like the we, the countdowns, kids, back in the day. Video countdowns.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, yes, so that made the news because of that. I don't know. I'm I'm reserved because I haven't seen that that version of Ghostbusters and, you know, I'll, I'll watch it. I've seen part one, part two, so it'll be cool to see, you know, revisit some of those characters.
Casey G. Smith: It's gonna be fascinating to see how they, uh, handle things without Harold Ramis passed away.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Exactly. Because they have to.
Casey G. Smith: Last year, right?
Reginald Titus Jr.: 2000, um, don't give me the line, but I want to say 2014, 15, something like that.
Casey G. Smith: Man, was that? Oh, okay. I'm off.
Reginald Titus Jr.: But I could, I'm about to, y'all double check that. Also, another thing, M. Night Shyamalan's Glass is doing well at the box office. 40 million over this past weekend. Number one, I think Upside is like number two behind that one.
Casey G. Smith: And I watched both.
Reginald Titus Jr.: They, well, you had a good weekend.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Sarah Paulson, who was in Glass, she said her favorite movie like in that universe was Unbreakable. And I'm just quote her. She said, um, it's beautiful, um, it's like a beautiful meditation on loneliness and really being an outsider and denying your own inner voice and what happens when you really step into what you're capable of. She said she loved it and it predates all the Marvel movies. It was the first time it was really put out there that there's a metaphor in how we all live our lives and the roles we take in our lives. Uh, what we ascribe to ourselves, what we let our sides be described by others. So that's Sarah Paulson, and she's in Glass, right?
Casey G. Smith: Hmm. Is she playing the doctor?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Mhm. Okay. Yes.
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, movies watched. What did you watch, man?
Casey G. Smith: Well, speaking of Glass, I, I saw Glass actually today in the theaters, called a matinee showing. Um, it is, it is interesting. I, I, I'll, all said and done, Unbreakable is still my favorite out of the, the trilogy of films. I'm still, I'm still processing Glass. There's a lot of stuff that, there's a lot of stuff that went down.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: In Glass. In classic Shyamalan, you know there's going to be a twist. I'm not going to give it away, obviously, but I'd say if you've, if you've watched the previous two movies, then, um, I think you should check it out and form your own opinion, but yeah, I'm, I'm still kind of processing it. It's, it's not traditional. I'll put it that way. It is, it is not traditional. Uh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: If I was a guest, I would say watch out for Samuel L. Jackson's character. Go ahead.
Casey G. Smith: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Um, but it, it was cool to see them all come together. And, man, James McAvoy. This man should be nominated for something. All the personalities, the split, even even in in Split, like the back and forth and just, I mean, it, he's putting on an acting clinic. So, yeah, for that alone, man, check out Glass for McAvoy's, uh, performance alone. Um, and just seeing all like the characters return from the previous movies. Uh, from Glass's mom to Anna Taylor-Johnson, uh, from Split. Uh.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I didn't see Split. I need to watch that one. I need to start over.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then, and then, um, from Unbreakable, David Duke's son, uh, the kid who played the son, he's a grown man now, but he, he returns. And I was like, oh, man, that is fantastic to see him now there, grown up. Anyway, so yeah, that was, that was Glass. Um.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's a happy kind of thing. Circle full time.
Casey G. Smith: It is, man. And then The Upside with Kevin Hart and, um, Bryan Cranston, uh, and it was directed by Neil Burger.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: Lovely film.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: Really, really lovely film. It's one of those films that, that you, it, it's, it's a feel-good film. And apparently based on a true story, which I, I didn't realize. Uh, but it was cool to see Kevin Hart in a role where he's not going full-on Kevin Hart and it's, it's more dramatic in nature. There are some really good laughs in it. Um, but, man, Cranston and Kevin Hart, they just, man, they, they're just crushing it together.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Kevin Hart's been doing a good job marketing this film because, you know, he had the debacle with the Oscars and things like that and, um, he's like, wait a second, I got to market this movie. And so he's been, you know, doing the apology campaign, but along with that, marketing the movie and I think it's really helped his film. Even on top of that, this is part of his strategy. He has a strategy for the next four or five years to introduce himself as not the over-the-top comedic guy and then surprise everybody by being very dramatic in some movies in the near future.
Casey G. Smith: He's going to be able to do it and he's going to crush it because he, he showed some emotional ranges within this. Again, like so many comedic actors can. Often comedians have a, um, a more serious/darker side to them. And when they're telling stories on stage, they're often going through a bevy of emotions to convey whatever story and punchline they want to get to. So, yeah, Kevin, yeah, Kevin, he's got, he's got his chops going in this one, uh, and yeah, if you're looking for something like the feel good, you could, I think, I think like a good date movie. Uh, I'd say, hey, check out The Upside.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Now, let's jump back into the show.

Gladiator: Context, Reception & Film Details
Reginald Titus Jr.: All right. So, we are talking about year 2000, Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott. And, I've been getting into the music a little bit more, music by Hans Zimmer. Oh my God. This film won five Academy Awards.
Casey G. Smith: Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Box office, 187.7 million domestically, 272.8 million foreign, for about 460.5 million worldwide on a budget of 103 million. It's a win.
Casey G. Smith: It is, it is a win. It is a win.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I was looking for this movie, this, this movie 19 years ago. It's still selling for like 7.99 if you rent it online, and 17.99 if you buy it digitally. That's no special features, that's nothing. That's just renting the movie or digitally buying it.
Casey G. Smith: Hey, it's a, it, this movie is a hit. It is now, I guess you can say it's a classic. And when you get into, again, when I started looking at some of the features, they constantly kept saying that before this film came out, there hadn't been a, a Roman epic or a, a big sword and sandals film that had a, that had a major budget, like when this came out, like it had been like 30 or 40 years since the last one. I think they were, they were often quoting Spartacus with Kirk Douglas as the last major sword and sandal film. I mean, and, you know, there'd been a Caligula and there'd been a another one they mentioned, but those were far, far smaller budgets. As far as like the grandiose kind of thing. So, this was a little bit of a risk. And.
Reginald Titus Jr.: 100 million, 103 million, my God.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. But, um, but also, you know, those digital effects, uh, within as well. And it, it paid off. And obviously, I mean, box office and critically, it got the love.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It did. Yeah, I, I kind of skipped swords and sandals, like that's not, it's not my thing. And for my wife, she loves that era. Like she was a Xena fan. Xena the Warrior Princess. That was her girl. So like, this is like her thing. I'm like, ah, yeah, I skip the era.
Casey G. Smith: So what'd you think, man? Was this your first time seeing it?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Man, um, I liked it. And it there was, uh, we just watched The Godfather. So like, there was correlation between The Godfather, seeing the Rome, and then kissing the hand. I'm like, wait a second. What am I? This is The Godfather. You know, it's just a little bit more action.
Casey G. Smith: Right, right.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Rome is in Italy.
Casey G. Smith: You got your Sicilians.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It grabbed my attention immediately. Even this film was just about as long as The Godfather, I think, close to three hours, something like that. And, um, it didn't feel long, though.
Casey G. Smith: Mhm. It's paced pretty nicely.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, soon as the movie starts out, we're in, we're getting ready for war. That's a good introduction. Um, so yeah, so I, I really, I liked it. It wasn't over the top because you it's easy for like a film like this for everybody to be like, thou, thou shalt, you know, kind of like the, uh, the Dracula joint. Uh, but that was what Francis was kind of going for in that one. So, but it, you know, I think, I don't know what people would react to, but I like how it felt like it was grounded, a little bit more reality versus theatrics. Um, yeah, so that's what I thought about it.
Casey G. Smith: So, and you you mentioned that, you know, them trying to keep it grounded, that was part of the strategy. That was part of one of the things that Ridley wanted to do. He said that, uh, they didn't want to feel theatrical. Uh, like people doing, you know, Shakespeare. They wanted to keep it, that, that was like the contemporary aspect of it, kind of how they communicated with each other. And and the fact you have these moments where you had kind of higher ranking people being able to have these intimate moments with quote, unquote, like kind of lower ranking people. Like when you have, when you have Maximus and, uh, Marcus, uh, you know, the Caesar of the time, when you have, they have this, you know, this, this intimate moment, they're talking and he, and he, and he tells, he tells Maximus, oh, you know, you're the son that I wish I had had. That's like, man, that's a, that's a, that's a big deal. Two shots. And he said that to his daughter. Finally you are my son. Yeah, yeah. So, but man, this is my second time.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Okay.
Casey G. Smith: Uh, no, no, that's not true. This is my third time watching Gladiator. I'm trying to remember the first, when I saw it the first time. I think I was at a friend's house.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Did you watch it like in the theaters when it came out in 2000?
Casey G. Smith: No, I didn't catch it in the theater. I, I caught it after, I caught it after it had came out like on video. I think, I think I watched it with some friends somewhere. But I remember watching it. I was like, yo, this is, this is awesome. Uh, this is awesome. There's just something about watching somebody like rise up, you know? Uh, I, I enjoy that. And I, and I do, I do dig the, the kind of Roman Colosseum thing, like seeing the gladiators get together and do their thing. I, I watched the series Spartacus when that was, when that was out. Um, and just, you know, again, with Russell Crowe, you know, his, you know, gives a great performance in this. I love some of the speeches in here. Uh, and Joaquin Phoenix, I, I love his performance. Yeah. Love his performance. Uh, so, so nuanced. And again, Ridley, Ridley's just crushing it. I mean, he can, I mean, from from sci-fi to sword and sandal, to crime drama, like, yeah, the guy's a, he's, he is an auteur. He knows what he's doing. Oh, yeah. So it was, uh, I revisited this in, maybe about five years ago, and watched it again. I was like, oh, yeah. This is still good. And then, you know, even now. Now, I actually bought it this time around. I found it used and, uh, actually bought it and I'm like, this is, this is, this is worth it. Blu-ray. Yes, sir. And it, and it still looks good. Even though, I think, even the visual effects, um.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, because he's, Ridley knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for quite some time and, um, Ridley utilizes the the blue screen technology well and hides things well and uses a lot of practical effects and practical, um, set pieces. And so you your eye can't tell what is what.
Casey G. Smith: And they were talking about in some of the features, like how they got the camera to move along with like how they when they're bringing in different effects. And it's just, it's, yeah. Speaking of, of features, guys, if you're, if you're thinking about like getting this Blu-ray, mhm. It's worth it for the features alone. There are literally 11 pages, pages of features. We kind of did a, a rough count. Roughly each page has 24, uh, items you can click on. Mhm. And just multiplying that by 10, that's 240 feature pieces you can look at. And really when you have the 11th page, it has like a couple of columns. You're talking like over 260 features. And now, um, one thing that Reginald and I discovered, yeah. is that there's also two commentary tracks. Unbelievable. Yeah. Because you have the theatrical version and the extended version. Which is like 20 minutes longer than the theatrical. Right. Has some, you know, extra scenes added in. I listened to the commentary for the extended version. And Reginald, I did the theatrical version. I watched the extended version as just, you know, as a viewer. Let me just watch the movie. I watched the extended version. And then listened to the theatrical version, because this Blu-ray, first off, it comes on two disc. And that's not normal. Usually you can fit all the information you need on one disc. So that kind of let you know right there like how much special, how many special features it has because it's ridiculous. It really is. I thought when I saw at the bottom of the screen, I thought it was I thought it was Roman numerals. I thought it was saying, okay, one of two pages. Yeah. And I went to the next page and it turned into a regular two. I was like, that means that's an 11. What is going on here? But Ridley, I mean, Ridley, again, I have the Alien, yeah, I have the Alien Quadrilogy. I have, which is just loaded with features. I also have again, Prometheus, Collector's Edition, which is loaded with features. True. Ridley loves to document his projects. And I appreciate him doing that because he put so much work into it, especially someone like him, Francis Ford Coppola. Like they put so much in, I appreciate that. David Fincher does the same thing, documenting and putting like, like for people like us, you know, filmmakers that want to know more. Filmmakers and film fans. It's like, man, then to do more than one commentary. And so the commentary is kind of, it's, um, you can't, you don't know off top that there's a two commentaries. You go to the extended version and it just says, you know, play the commentary with so and so. And if you want to look at the theatrical version, you got to take the DVD, the Blu-ray out, put it back in, so it can reset. And then, uh, when it loads up, you choose that you want to watch the theatrical version and then you choose that commentary of it. And it's a totally different commentary. Hmm. Man. Yeah. Now I might have to go back and listen to that. Because I'm, I'm curious because, uh, you know, with anyway, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll dive into it. We'll dive into it. Before we dive in, here's the synopsis. Maximus is a powerful Roman general, loved by the people and the aging emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Before his death, the emperor chooses Maximus to be his heir over his own son, Commodus. And a power struggle leaves Maximus and his family condemned to death. The powerful general is unable to save his family, and his loss of will allows him to get captured and put into the gladiator games until he dies. The only desire that fuels him now is a chance to rise to the top so that he'll be able to look into the eyes of the man who will fulfill his revenge. Gladiator. Dope. That was by Chris Murphy Terry on IMDb.
Casey G. Smith: That's a good one.

Themes and Character Insights
Reginald Titus Jr.: So, themes, themes of this film, uh, initially, I was, I said, um, because I told you it was like for me it was like a parallel between like The Godfather and family and succession and power corruption. You know, you're dealing with these same things. But at the end of the day, uh, Ridley said, he, he said, you know, the theme is mortality. That's at the end of the day. Yes.
Casey G. Smith: Yes. It's definitely a deep, a theme of death. I saw themes of, of, uh, leadership, which some might say is, is power, but, you know, it starts off with Maximus and his, his leading his men. And even, even when he's stripped down and he is, uh, a slave and a gladiator, he still, he still is a leader of men. Juxtaposed to Commodus, who desperately wants, not even so much to lead. Commodus wants love. He is a, he is a poor child. Yeah. He's a wounded, he is a wounded man. Commodus. His real name is Commodus.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Wounded.
Casey G. Smith: His career went into the commodus. His life went into the commodus. But Commodus, he, he wants, he wants love and he thinks he can get it by, you know, by leading the people and holding them to his breast and getting them to love him. Um, jealousy, uh, you know, definitely is flowing out of him because he does see him in in Maximus kind of as brothers. And he is insanely jealous of Maximus because he has the love of the people, he has the respect of the soldiers, he has the Senate, and even his sister, who he has kind of an incestuous, incestuous thing for, she still kind of loves Maximus, and his own father. Like, he has every reason to hate this dude. And even his nephew. It's like, I'm going to be a Maximus. Uh, seeing like the first scene, did I miss the war?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude, it's funny.
Casey G. Smith: Oh, that line is money.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Did I miss the battle?
Casey G. Smith: You've missed the war. Whatever you said. It was hilarious. Have I missed it? Have I missed the great battle? You know good and dead gum well.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It was like a joke. Like he's a joke and people looking at him like he's a joke.
Casey G. Smith: But dude has some skills. I, I liked that they showed him, you know, working his swords, you know, kind of fighting most people kind of even foreshow. Yeah. So, okay, this guy. Pneumonia. Yeah. He's psycho is what he is. You know, they, uh, Ridley mentioned in, uh, in, in some of the features, uh, there's some, there's some nice like specific like character featurettes and talks about like the real Commodus was, legend is, legend has it, uh, was, you know, a real dude who was kind of obsessed with the games. And, and when he kind of rose up, had been in multiple fights and apparently it was like, like, would go into the Colosseum, had, had about like 300 some fights underneath his belt.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Also, he was a truth in the way.
Casey G. Smith: Possibly staged, though. You know, possibly staged, might be a little asterisk by some of those wins. Yeah. But, um, but, but, but was, you know, proficient in, you know, weaponry and things of that nature. So, uh, yeah, that's, that was fascinating to me, like, huh, interesting. But yeah, Joaquin Phoenix, man, I enjoyed him in the, in the role. Thematically, some of the writers talk about, the, actually, one of the first writers on the script, talked about this actually, before they even pitched it to, to Spielberg, they said it was a reflection of modern times and like modern LA. Talking about like, the Colosseum was like, I think like Dodger Stadium or something like that, and, and having the ownership, uh, you know, of the teams and like kind of relating it to like modern day sports and these modern day warriors. I was like, yeah, that's, that's deep. Yeah. So.
Reginald Titus Jr.: I can definitely relate. I remember, um, we had watched the, it was like three weeks ago, we watched the Jonathan Jones fight. Bones Jones. And we're sitting in Buffalo Wild Wings and the, it's a Saturday, so all the college games are going on. The football college games. Everybody's roaring, roaring. Keep in mind, these guys are risking their bodies. They're crashing at each other at 20 miles an hour for free. And, uh.
Casey G. Smith: For a free education.
Reginald Titus Jr.: If you think they're really getting education, that's a whole another conversation. But, um, yeah, but at the end of the day, for free, while the people that represent them are making millions, you know, coaches making a couple millions. But, you know, we're in we're yelling for them. They're entertained, you know, these kids, young, getting wheeled off, you know, because if they get hurt and stuff, sometimes they lose their scholarship. So, so that's going on. Then, you know, we have the UFC that comes on and we see literally, is a man, is it Amanda Nunes? Smash Cyborg in the face repeatedly like, bam, bam, just blood everywhere and everybody's yelling. I'm like, I told James, I'm like, dude, this is like Rome. And then he looked around, he said, you're kind of right. It's like the bloodlust. We're like, ah. Everybody's going crazy. So anyhow.
Casey G. Smith: It is, it is, it is reminiscent though. We, yeah. We, we like to a degree, we like to see some violence. Yes. Um.
Reginald Titus Jr.: And we got it.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. But at the same time, we don't want to see people die. Nobody's cheering for like, you know, thumbs down. Oh, kill them, kill them. Uh, there, well, I'm not looking to see anybody die. Like it's regulated, it's managed, but we have a history. There is a history of, of, of, uh, group killings. I'll never forget when I was in college. We watched this film called The Lottery. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's a short film. You ever seen it before?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Uh-uh.
Casey G. Smith: You can spoil it. Oh, and by the way, if this is your first time listening to Filmmaker Commentary, please know that there will be spoilers. You've been forewarned. So, The Lottery is set in a small town and everybody is, um, going and grabbing a number. Men, women, and children, all walks of life. Small town, everybody's getting their numbers and everybody's super excited. And it's just slowly building up, building up. All right, what do these numbers mean? And finally, there's one guy, he, he, he, he gets this number and he's terrified. He's like, no, no, no, no. And everybody starts to look at him and walk closer and closer and he's got his back against the wall. And all of a sudden, you see a small child pick up a rock.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, God.
Casey G. Smith: And then slowly but steadily, everybody picks up rocks and they proceed to stone this man to death. The Lottery.
Reginald Titus Jr.: The Purge.
Casey G. Smith: Hmm. Hey. Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: We got a bloodlust, man. It's, it's, it must be quenched. And we need more.
Casey G. Smith: It is. It is that. But I'm, I'm glad that we have regulations that we're trying to keep people safe that, you know, you can be knocked out and okay, all right, now the competition's over, you know, the you, now you're in your competition, all right, we can stop it and okay. You know, not like early UFC when it was like just more willy-nilly. Uh, there are regulations, people standing by to to stop stuff quickly. The refs are, the refs are, you know, on top of it.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, if you die, you probably won't die there. You'll probably die in the hospital or something. Kind of like with the boxing matches, like most, yeah, a lot of times they'll just die in the hospital.
Casey G. Smith: That's comforting.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's the truth.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah. But these lives, but these also, but that these are all also lives these people choose. As opposed to these gladiators, no choice. Slaves. Yeah, you are literally trying to fight for your freedom. Um, and you are fighting, yeah, you're fighting for your life. You don't have any other choice. This is, it's do or die. You fight or you, you're going to die. And then you might fight dying. You might die fighting, I should say.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, that's a whole another tangent. I would go there. Uh, um, just recently listened to a podcast with Joe Rogan and Mike Tyson. He was on the podcast. He was talking about his fighting days and all that stuff, but it's not a life that you choose if you're wealthy. You know, it's the same thing if, uh, in the military, the people that are wealthy do not go into the military because you have the people that are below you that go fight for you.
Casey G. Smith: Or you go in as an officer, potentially.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, but if, I remember, uh, Michael Moore, is it Michael Moore the documentarian? Uh, he was talking to like all the senators and ministers, why don't you send your sons to go to, you know, it was 9/11 at the time. So why don't you send your sons to go? And you know, it's kind of talking about you're being so patriotic and all this stuff, why don't you send your kids? Because they don't, they're not telling their kids to go to the military. You know, you go to the kind of lower income high schools and you do your marketing there and try to get people to sign, yeah.
Casey G. Smith: I, I've seen it. I've seen that first-hand. Yeah. I, I, yeah. Yeah, I've seen that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: It's real.
Casey G. Smith: Seen it first-hand. Um, but anyhow, tangent of the commentary. So, you said you saw the commentary, you, you went to the commentary of Russell Crowe and Ridley Scott.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yes, sir.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What are your like thoughts on that one?

Production, Memorable Moments & Trivia
Casey G. Smith: So, uh, it's, I, I was impressed with Russell Crowe. I hadn't, I had not heard him on a commentary previously. I, I've heard, you know, obviously Ridley multiple times. And I, I enjoyed Russell's insights and how he was really involved with the process.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He sounded dialed in.
Casey G. Smith: He is totally dialed in. Like he and he, his, his, his recall of how things like took place and like, he remembered when like certain shots happened a certain way and how things went on certain days. Like he was dialed in. And him, and he, and Ridley worked on this project once he was brought in and, and read what was the script at the time and made his decision to be a part of it. He was dialed in and there were constant changes and lines were changed and this and that. And he was just like on it, even like Corey, you know, helping like choreograph some of the, the fight scenes and some of the changes. He was dialed in all the way. I, I was remember, I grabbed the, the, the box art and to see, okay, was he a producer on this? Because he is dialed in. So I appreciated his insights. Um, and Ridley, you know, let him talk and, and share quite a bit. So I wonder if he had, I'm, I'm assuming he recorded this after he had already done the extended version where he probably got his say and, and talked again more of the technical stuff. And there are some technical things in here. Um, but there's a lot of, of kind of, of, of, uh, reminiscing and, and mentioning certain people in the cast here and there or, or crew members or things like that. But there are some, some interesting technical things that are touched upon. So, as a whole, I enjoyed it. Um, but I, I figured, yeah, that you would want something more, more, more technical.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah.
Casey G. Smith: So I'm glad to know that there's the something that.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, I started playing, I started this one first cuz I didn't know that the other commentary existed cuz it was, it didn't say it on the, on the box. So, you know, I'm listening to it and, uh, I appreciate the camaraderie between the two, but I'm like, man, Ridley is kind of like falling back a little bit. I was like, man, he this is not Ridley. You know, the charm of Russell Crowe. I was like, man, I'm waiting to hear more about cuz there was some scenes that I wanted to know about. And Russell just like going like, nah, move, Ridley, this is what happened. And I was like, I'm not really, I like it but I'm, I'm this is not what I came for. And so I cut it off about 47 minutes in and then I looked on the other theatrical version of the film and then I'm like, okay. So, the commentary I listened to was, I had to start all over and it was, uh, Ridley Scott, the editor, and the director of photography. And it's more filmmaking oriented. Um, and I felt like the other one was a little bit more geared towards the actors.
Casey G. Smith: So Ridley Scott, John, uh, Mathieson, and, uh, Pietro Scalia.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Booyah. And they kind of took a way back seat, you know, they chimed in every now and then, but it was really kind of just leading the way.
Casey G. Smith: Which, you know, makes sense because Ridley is literally involved in every phase of the film. He is he's a master.
Reginald Titus Jr.: He producer, he's a producer.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ridley's what is it? Scott Free Productions, you know, was on it. So.
Casey G. Smith: And they worked with DreamWorks, you know, Spielberg's company. Um, which, you know, he gave the green light in the, in the first place.
Reginald Titus Jr.: What is your favorite scene? Do you have a favorite scene?
Casey G. Smith: I like a lot of, okay, my favorite scene is when, when he takes his mask off, uh, in the Colosseum and, and face his back is turned.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Oh, his back, his turned.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah.
Reginald Titus Jr.: How dare you turn your back to me, slave!
Casey G. Smith: Slave. And when Maximus turns around and finally does take his mask off. And his name is Maximus. You know, and he, and he goes through his spiel, you know, you know, father to a slain son, husband to a murdered wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, and I will have my vengeance in this life or the next. I'm like, yeah, what's going down? That, that, that's to me, that's, that's, that's the line. I love, I love that scene. And Phoenix, the way he, his reaction is like, he's like, he saw a ghost. Mhm. The acting in this, man, these performances are, are great because there's because there they have these, these you're going from these big moments and then it gets like, it gets close and it gets intimate. And, yeah, and Russell Crowe is on fire in this thing, man. He can do no wrong. Like just like every moment he is there, he is dialed in. And same with Joaquin. Uh, and even, um, the actress, um, uh, Connie Nielsen, she's doing her thing. Yeah, I, yeah, but that, that scene in particular really, uh, stands out to me. How about you? You had a favorite scene?
Reginald Titus Jr.: Just the opening sequence. Uh, we're being, uh, introduced to the hero. You know, we're there on a battlefield. He's looking around, you know, you see the bird. It's kind of like showing like a premonition or whatever. But we don't know that, but, you know, we looking at birds but he's on the battlefield. So it's like, like what's going on? And then we follow because you usually don't see like a general like that. Usually you see the general like on his horse, looking down and making sure his army is doing what it's supposed to do. Uh, but he is there with the people. Like, you know, giving people dap. Like, what's up? Remember that one time we killed somebody? Like, that's the that's the that's the little. Remember, yo. Yeah, that's like, that's the look, that's like the camaraderie. He looks like he's having. He's like chilling, you know, uh, yeah, yeah, we're going to get them later. So, it was kind of cool just to follow him around and see how people are reacting to him. So, I was like, okay. As a viewer, okay, he's the man. They say he's the man. Okay, he's the man. We agree. And so, yeah, I like the introduction of his character. You get a, you throw a dog in there, you kind of win anybody over.
Casey G. Smith: Right, right.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dog following him around. Quotable lines. So, we got any quotable lines?
Casey G. Smith: Um, so, again, this is the one I mentioned earlier, which I didn't, obviously I didn't, I didn't nail, didn't nail the quote, but I dig that. There's also a, a line where, uh, it's, it's actually Joaquin says it, nope. Uh, to Maximus. It might be right as he's like, folding his plans or sometime before, when he's like, you know, the, the, the soldier who became a slave, the slave who became a gladiator, and the gladiator who defied the, the, the emperor. Something to that effect. I, I dig that line.
Reginald Titus Jr.: That's a good story.
Casey G. Smith: Yes. Uh, there's also the line, again, another one from Joaquin, when he's talking to his father, and he's like, you mentioned to me the four virtues, but alas, I had none of them. But there are other virtues as well. Ambition. You know, he starts to kind of, you know, like, oh, this guy's so, he's so, he's so desperate and, and like weaselly, but he's trying, he's just trying so desperately to win his father's love and approval in some way. Um, but he's, he's, he's honest about it. You know, he's, he's being, he's being transparent. Um, I, I, I dig Oliver Reed as Proximo. Oh, yeah. When he's, when he's giving Russell the advice and telling him, you know, the crowd didn't love him because I won. I wasn't the best because I, I won. I was the best because the crowd loved me. You know, giving him that, that insight to what it's going to take to get to Rome and get to what he, what he wanted. So, oh, and then when, when Maximus is being taken away, uh, to be executed and initially and betrayed by his men, and he at least give me a, you know, a soldier's death. And he got and he breaks free and then the other guard goes to get his sword. He's like, sometimes the frost makes the blade stick.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Random trivia.
Casey G. Smith: Yes. Yes. I just wanted you to know before I kill you. Hit y'all with some knowledge.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Hit him in the face and it just splits down the middle. Helmet slice.
Casey G. Smith: I like those details when somebody gets hit with a blade and they have a helmet on and it shows it like, hey, you get the right angle, it's going to break through and you're going to be in trouble.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Dude, so face is out of there.
Casey G. Smith: No concussion protocol there, buddy. No time out for you.
Reginald Titus Jr.: No. Maximus shows mercy.
Casey G. Smith: What about you, man? Any any quotable lines?
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Uh, so he's not normally a fan of flashback and things like that, but he felt that as an audience we should see Russell Crowe's Maximus, we should see his wife and kid. And the way he was able to do that is by introducing that in kind of like a flashback. Um, because he didn't want the first time we see them will be when they're burnt up and charred. Yeah, which was terrible. Like the scene when the the horse is riding through and the kid, it was like a, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Yeah. Well I don't first I was like it was like kind of funny, but it's like it's not supposed to laugh at that, but it was kind of like it was like almost comical because it kind of felt like a like kind of like a scary movie, the, the comedy. It kind of felt like slapstick in a way. Um, but yeah, you're not supposed to laugh at that, but it was kind of funny. Uh, but it got real, real quick. No doubt. Um, so know when to flashback and don't overuse it. My last, uh, tip that I had was, Ridley talked about having like different producers. And he said that a good producer should be able to have like an, uh, an editorial eye and, and see kind of the project holistically. So, if, if they're sitting in on some of the, some of the dailies, uh, being able to kind of ask the question, okay, well, how, how's this going to maybe fitting with this or, you know, that. And that makes sense in, it's it's some of those insights that he gets sometimes from his producers that, that help him out, uh, in the process and working with the editor, uh, because they're seeing the project holistically and how things might fit together and when things may be, uh, may need to shift. Hmm. Okay. Yes, indeed. Last points is, use the magic of cinema to get through the story. And, and for example, uh, when Maximus, when he's captured, he's about 1500 miles away from his house in real life. So it would have took him like three to four weeks to ride to his house. And so he was like, uh, Ridley Scott like he says, I'm logic, he's a logician. He was like, sometimes you just got to use the, the magic of the cinema to kind of get along. Don't be like, three weeks later. Just like get straight to it. Did you notice a difference from the theatrical version to the extended version or did they talk about the difference between the two?
Casey G. Smith: Uh, yes, they, they mentioned a couple of the, of the scenes that were added in. The scene of the, of the two generals being executed by Commodus, that was not in the theatrical. Um.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Yeah, you're right.
Casey G. Smith: Yeah, that one was taken out. They thought that was just too long. And it didn't directly add to the story. You could, you could get, get along without it. When I saw it though, when I saw it, I saw Commodus stepping up. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to test y'all suckers. All right, y'all want to, y'all want to, y'all don't trust me or y'all, y'all think y'all can lie to me? This is what's going to happen. Right, showing the consequences for not being loyal or lying to him. Uh, but they, we still, you know, he was by the time he pulls his big, you know, cutting off Maximus's plan and getting all the details, he already shows him stepping up that way as well. So I guess they figured, ah, we could, you know, not have it there. But it would, I think it's a cool scene. So I'm glad to see it in the extended version. God has his hands on him like. Yeah, like so that's also pressure on his archers. You guys better not miss. They like, ah. Right. They're trying to they got the the bows drawn back and he's starting to hand starting to shake. Uh, but yeah, so they, they talked about a couple of the scenes. That's the that's the one I remember off off hand. When I watched the theatrical version versus that, I'm like, man, there's some stuff missing. Uh, the scene with the, with the people with their legs cut off after the, the, um, the battle. That stuff's out of there. When he see, when, uh, Commodus is using the sword to knock it up against his dad's statue. Right, right, right. That one. It's gone. Yeah, yeah. It changes the whole scene, too. It changes how you feel about the guy because he's like, I'm vexed. He vexes me. He's talking about Maximus. Mhm. And, and when, when that scene is out of there, it gives, um, Commodus a little bit more chess thrown, I guess, you know. He said that, you know, this is, he said that, you know, this is he said that, you know, this extended version is not the director's cut. He said, he said, what was in the theater, that's the director's cut. Yeah. He said, you know, these are some scenes that were taken out and now they're in. Uh, so okay. Well, that's good to know. I didn't know that. That clarifies. I probably would have just watched the theatrical had I known that. I like to, I like to see, I don't know, I like to see the extended version, like, okay, what, what, what was the, I don't know. What was put together? True. You know. And, again, but I do want, but I do want, but I do want to listen to that commentary, though. Um, and again, there, again, ladies and gents, there are so many features. I've only watched like 10 of them of the 200 plus, uh, bits and pieces that they, that they have. So like I said, man, if you, if you dig film, if you love Gladiator, scoop this on Blu-ray. The two-disc Blu-ray. It's, it's really Scott helps out filmmakers. So if you're a filmmaker, this is one you should pick up for sure. Ridley usually delivers. Next week, we're going to dive into Ray. So the reason we're diving into Ray is because it's about to be Oscar season and so it's going to be a lot of Oscar talk. So, in honor of the Oscars, we're going to dive into some older winners and we're going to check out some newer ones. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And you can catch us, uh, on Facebook at facebook.com/filmmakercommentary. Also, you can, uh, find our podcast on iTunes, where you can also like and subscribe. In addition to that, you can find us on SoundCloud. Um, also, if you want to reach out to Reginald, you can find him on Twitter at ReggieTitus. You can also find him on Instagram at ReginaldTitusJr. You can also find me at Twitter and Instagram, simply at CaseyGSmith32. If you have any recommendations for any films you would like us to check out, number one, please make sure they have commentary. And, uh, feel free to leave a, a comment on, uh, any of those sites and platforms listed. Until next time, peace.
Reginald Titus Jr.: Ah, I knew that. I don't know why I didn't say it. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. What was his name? So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I'm hoping I'm hoping that one. I think they can work it out. You know, I don't think they're you know, I think they're mature enough. Yeah, Yeah. So, so I'm like this is like good. Cuz I, I feel like, so you know, there's a reason why why Ridley does it. You know what I mean? Cuz like he doesn't just do something just because. You know, he has like a specific reason. And so like I can say that like he's you know, he's like a genius when it comes to that regard. You know what I mean? So, for me I'm like I'm cool with that. You know. Uh and so yeah, so I'm I'm not. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Yeah. So this is like good stuff. Yeah. Oh, man. So good stuff. So, for the audience, I'm like this is like it's a you know, it's like a good you know, this is like it's a good film, you know, but I'm gonna be a little biased cuz I'm I'm like, you know what? Ridley Scott you know, he's he's doing good stuff for the filmmaking world, you know. So, if you like watching the special features, if you like knowing more information from the filmmaking, Ridley Scott's your guy. He's always good with that stuff. You know. So like this is like a cool thing for me. I'm like yeah, so for that for that for that for that, you know, this is like a good, this is like a cool Blu-ray. I would suggest it to to buy it, you know. I'm gonna be completely biased. You know, I'm not gonna be like, hey, you know, this is like it's a good thing for everybody, cuz like I know my son is he's really into like, you know, superheroes, right? Yeah, this is like this like this is like good. You know. He's like, good. This is like it's good for him. So, it's a good thing for him. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm like, oh man, this is like I think I think he's good with that. Yeah. So yeah. What was your favorite scene? Mhm. He's just like, he's the man. Yeah. Okay. I got it. So I like it. Yeah. I like it. I like it a lot. I'm like this is this is like good. This is good. Uh, yeah. This is like this is like a good thing that I would say, you know, you know, you know, this is a good film to to watch. Um, he's an interesting actor. He was trying to find his, find his way and find his, his confidence. And kind of once he did, then he, he, he began to relish it. But initially it was like, eh, it was so sure about it. Speaking of jeans, there actually is a scene during the Germanic war, um, I think right after they won. There's actually a guy. I remember in Black Panther when they're on the, um, the little, uh, it's the battle between T'Challa and what's, uh, M'Baku. M'Baku. Um, the guys that are cheering on the wall. There's somebody in jeans, like freaking jeans. And you, it's, it's hard to catch it. But it's like when they're cheering them on and they cut to it real quick. I was like, these people were in jeans. I paused it. Well, they kind of modern, you know, they, maybe they have the full-on. Yeah, you got to come correct. Yeah, he was supposed to wear their ancestral clothing on that one. Yeah, you got to come correct. Yeah. Um, so, so Russell, uh, Crowe said he got his, his hairstyle from, uh, he took it from a, a George Michael, uh, album cover. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. I don't know why, what's wrong with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was laughing about it. He thought it was, he thought it was funny at the time. And it, it, I mean, the look fits. Yeah, he looked terrible. And it, it changes. Like there, there are times where. Yeah, he looked terrible. And it, it changes. Like there, there are times where. It was like, it was like a chili bowl. It looks like a chili bowl at times and then it was like. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So like they said that like he, he said that, you know, this is, he, he said that, you know, this is, he said that, you know, what's the difference, right? 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